Bex.

As far as I know Mengele was a Doctor. The point I was clumsily trying to make was that the experiments he undertook were hardly likely to win him a Nobel Prize for medicine.

Regards,

kev35

Lets face it, no matter which way one looks at it, he was a bit on the crazy side. Doctor or no doctor, too be honest, he was an insult to the medical proffession, a bit like the mob arrested over the last few days. Bex

We could in fact use a lot of history to form analagies, Philby & Gordievsky to name but two. Ok yes I know they were spies but can put our hands on our hearts and say for certain that their knowledge didnt cause deaths?

Kev, thanks for that bit, I was not aware that Mengele was not a doctor in the first place. Crippen, yes he killed for pleasure, Shipman, well as far as we are aware it was for financial gain but there maybe a possibility of other motives in his case?

Yes, we have invaded Iraq & Afghanistan, and as patriotic as I am I never thought Id say this, but it wasnt the best move we’ve ever made, however as we all know this extremism has been going for decades. Now then folks what are we missing, what is causing born and bred Britains & persons employed in the health service blowing themselves up in the name of their religion?

Apart from the odd c0ck up the IRA never went this far, ok they did have an idiot that blew himself up on a bus but that was an accident, not deliberate, and theirs was under the auspices of a “Holy War” hiding behind religion, and lets be honest, in most cases, they did have the “Decency” to give us a few minutes warning (my dad did 7 tours of Belfast so I have atleast 2nd hand knowledge and he had a lucky escape in 74)

So finally, apart from supporting the USA & Israel, invading other countries unjustly why, are we (the UK) constantly being targetted along with other European Countries, parts of Australasia, Malaysia BUT all is quiet in the USA, or has no one else noticed this? Since 9/11, the USA has been VERY quiet. Bex

Kev – There are two ways to look at this. Firstly you mention ‘martyrdom’ – to achieve that might seem to them to be enough of a justification to do what they do . The offerings of eternal life or indeed going into a land of pleasure is something that a few religions peddle and it seems to recruit both
the easily influenced and the very intelectural. For a number of people this life is either not pleasurable enough or on the other hand not long enough
and people will pursue this.
The second way to consider it is if we were invaded and occupied by Iraq. Would we consider it justified and whilst certain members of the population would abide by the occupying forces – others would not.
There were people in Iraq happy with their lot – they have now seen their standard of life dramatically change and their leaders hanged.

For your first point David, I can see that one and why it would appeal. I think CHancer wondered in his post why we’d let the burning driver live, while I agree with him in theory, let the toerag burn, you explain the guys possible thinking in a way I hadnt thought of.

Point 2, well I would in all honesty fit into the “u invaded, I aint happy” catergary, and yes theres a fair few in Iraq that have seen their lives take a big tumble with the removal of Saddam Hussein and his “Government” Bex

Kev & Grey Area,

Oh u gents are quick I have to admit!!! Ok, short version, my dear little mother used to be an A&E Nurse at a South London Hospital so every morning when she came home dad & I were regaled with the previous nights exploits, as a kid u can imagine how much I enjoyed this before school…. NOT. Although there was this Chinease Chappy with an interesting name (cough) I digress:

Now then gents, I agree with the names presented thus far, although, I do have a question relating to the following:

Dr’s: Mengele, Crippen & Shipman were not at the “start” of their careers like the young boys & girls we have incarcerated so slightly different circumstances wouldnt u both agree?

Beverly Allitt, I concur was / is mentally ill though technically doesnt fit in here, however my thoughts do agree with u Kev :diablo: . Bex

It certainly is interesting that people that are employed in an occupation that helps people are capable of becomming suicide bombers. I can not comprehend what is going through these peoples minds, I might just be a bit strange but if I was a medical genious like one of these guys is supposed to be I would keep my nose out of politics and religious matters but hey thats me.

Kev raised a very interesting question “What is the mindset that allows these people to get married and bring children into the world only to blow themselves up and achieve ‘martyrdom’?” This certainly does make one wonder as what on earth is going on inside those heads.

Grey Area raised an important note, and he is most correct by stating that No one should need an oath to prevent planning harm to others. The scary thing is the opposite actually applies, oaths are taken to plan harm. Bex

What I find interesting is that this group are all from the medical proffession. The NHS is so understaffed that we employ foreighn medics and what happens they try to blow us up. Now what happened to the “Hypercratic Oath” Or doesnt that apply anymore? Bex

which is precisely why the moderates need to step up… the u.s. should absolutely stop supporting the regimes such as the one in saudi arabia… they support extremism, they are corrupt and keep their people under their heal… but, a country like the u.s. can’t do it the way they did it in iraq, we’ve seen how large a failure that was… of course we would never attack saudi arabia, but what i am saying is, external pressure from the u.s. will not work… it will lead to a worse standing for the u.s. in the eyes of muslims and the rest of the world… we’ve done too much of that in the past and it’s never really worked out well (just look at s. america)… for democracy to be promoted there first needs to exist a desire for democracy which is visable internally… and the only way this can happen is for moderates in those country’s to stand up… or have within there ranks a person of the character and nature of attaturk…

Some very interesting points here. It does make one wonder how the US & UK can condemn on one hand a dictator but on the other hand support another. It certainly makes a mochery of us doesnt it? But I doubt anything will be done, besides our Politicians never listen to the people that put them in theirs job anyways!!! Bex

David, sorry about that, thanks to your observation on my post i reread it and realised Id worded it wrongly and because of this it looked as though I was referring to every immigrant when infact I only meant a minority. Muppet moment folks. Bex