Im a former RSI and Im intrigued that there would be any record of operational cyphered morse transmissions, in those days, under those circumstances I didnt think it was possible. However, Im not sure about the RAF side of things, but would the Royal SIgnals Museum be worth a call to start with? I may be wrong here just thinking aloud. Bex

Cracking photos Paul, looks like u had some fun there!!!! Bex

this might be a silly statement but……… have u checked out LesB’s website he has a long list of B20 survivors? Just thinking out loud. Bex

Loose Head,

I couldnt agree more with your words, I was 14 at the time. I hope you have a peaceful day tomorrow.

Does anything remain of the platform as a seabourne memorial?

Bex

The humanity also means that pictures are beamed around the world of these guys being rescued . I cannot imagine a series of events happening in Afghanistan or Iraq! Now imagine for a second if the pictures showed people standing watching while they burnt – that would inflame opinion out there even more. Hearts and minds should be what this is all about – we cannot hope to stop this unless we can engage the radicals and indeed the communities they live in to persuade their youth against this.

This is quite an interesting one. On the one hand we have “compassion & humanity” shown rescuing these guys, great from our point of view, but can you imagine the Radical point of view? Getting the right hump at not being allowed to die thats for sure. No matter what we do it will be used against us. Im actually dreading the burnt guy dying, ok hes bad guy, doesnt really matter is one point of view, however, his bosses could say we did it. And its that bit that worries me as no matter what is said they will ram it into their sides heads that we did it.

Now then, Hearts and minds, I quite agree with you there, but all the time both the US & UK forces keep doing illegal acts against suspects & innocents we’ve got no chance. Ok the Iraqi’s havent been very friendly towards prisoners but we can not stoop to their level. Even more so as we are meant to be civilised nations. My father is an ex soldier of 41 yrs service, Regular, TA & Cadets and is appalled by what is going on out there, even more so when presently serving officers he taught and I grew up with. One of whom has been quoted in several newspapers dropping the MOD right in the cart.

Bex

certainly looking a mess isnt she 😡 And, with all the rain thats come down up that way bet shes rather damp too. Bex

Bex – If you break it down into simple events. A Jeep has crashed in front of you – the occupants are on fire but you can see a way of getting them out
Do you act first dragging them out or do you consider that they might be Muslim terrorists and leave them to burn . Or is it option three – they are Muslim citizens in a car on fire who might or might not be terrorists.
It’s very hard to stand and watch someone burn without your humanity making you do something .

As for the mindset of the bombers in the U.K . Examine the U.S wanting to hit back after Pearl Harbour by bombing Tokyo . The raid might have achieved little in military terms but it was great for moral back home.

Now imagine a Iraqi doctor who resents the occupation or Christian troops in his country or even is a devout Muslim radical who wishes to rid his country
of any other religion. He can become an anonymous car bomber at home or come to Europe and cause deaths in the land of what he considers the infidel. He might get more fame – he might even inspire more to his cause – or he might sway public opinion in the West further against the occupation.

Wars can be lost through public opinion – i.e the U.S in Vietnam and the public clamour back home to bring the troops home – strike in the West like these terrorists do and they bring the war home to the invaders.

We live in an age where censorship is very hard and a terrorists deeds can be famous in seconds on the Internet – don’t underestimate how savvy the radicals are at exploting terrorism.

David, from what Ive seen on the news, it has been stated that these guys were pretty obviously “bad guys”. Also from my own experiences I could pretty much be certain of an attack compared to an RTA. However, I do agree with what you are saying, actions at that precise time were based on the experience on those on the ground at that time, and thats all that matters. But, also Id get them out regardless if I could, that little thing called common sense and decency kicks in there.

Propaganda is an amazing weapon, and I reckon these guys are winning that one, certainly just on a numbers game alone. The British are now suffering what the USA suffered with Vietnam, even the Falklands had excellent press censorship, but not now 😡 Bex

Bex.

As far as I know Mengele was a Doctor. The point I was clumsily trying to make was that the experiments he undertook were hardly likely to win him a Nobel Prize for medicine.

Regards,

kev35

Lets face it, no matter which way one looks at it, he was a bit on the crazy side. Doctor or no doctor, too be honest, he was an insult to the medical proffession, a bit like the mob arrested over the last few days. Bex