So the original M/K had close to 50% more internal fuel
Yes. That was a known fact for those who was interested in the figures, but numbers like those mostly get/got lost in the “MiG-29 is short-legged” noise.
what about fuel consumption?
Fuel needed for ‘n’ thrust for ‘x’ time
For eg, If all the three engines A, B, C are using the same fuel for a specific thrust for same time period but engines B and C have a thrust of A+1 and A+ 1.5 then SFC would look like
A = 1
B = 2
C = 2.5
And if the a/c is powered by 2 x engine A, it is most likely to have almost the same range as that of aircraft using the other two. This has been the IAF experience with its early model MiG-29s, it had almost same range parameters as the M2K in combat load. But this was probably not enough to have a longer loiter time on station.
The table below shows the fuel load in different MiG-29 variants. Data for latest versions could change as there are photos of MiG-35 with 4 drop tanks (and a refuelling kit).
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http://alejandro-8en.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/fuel-load-in-different-mig-29-variants.html
Where is the 2,100 litre centreline drop tank?
AFAIK, there was also a planned 50+ litre tank installed in each LERX of SMT package by removing the top aux intake.

The original MiG-29M (9.15), still has the max internal fuel of all the variants as per the stat and the original MiG-29K based on the original M carried it forward. Too bad the M came out just before the crisis started exploding.
This variant was (probably) the one that was offered to India by GB to RG in the late 80s for local production, but the PM/Govt politely refused due to the investment needed for setting up yet another (after Jaguar/MiG-27) production line (and also due to the other lobbies against it) and ‘wisely’ endorsed the import option, when needed, as cheaper. This missed opportunity cost dearly when the spares and support started affecting due to the crisis. We Indians do not have the habit of stocking up spares (untill recently) unless the OEM forces it upon us for reasons of business, maintainability and keeping/retaining brand name high.
Russians do not follow this practice (like their US counterparts) and that has been one of the reasons why mostly the brand name gets affected. If they had followed the same strict procedure of making the operator of their a/c buy/order and stock up the spares for the 5-10 year service of the fleet, most of the problem associated with low availability (due to lack of spares) will vanish. This has what affected the MiG-29s in the Indian service as well, particularly in the early 90s. If there was enough (medium-long term) spares already arranged for the fleet for 5-10 years during the initial deal, most of the problems that IAF faced in the early 90s w.r.t MiG-29s could have been avoided.
@ Andraxxus, Thanks
Russian MoD/news is of the view that that the Mi-35 loss was a shoot down.
Also Kuznetsov is suppose to be in the region with its 29K and 33 in August (as earlier reported) and not October (recently reported).
And some shots of the from Russian birdies that fly from Hemiem.


Whats the opinion about the two incidents we saw recently – Mi-24/35 and a Turkish Super Cobra…. both lost their tail but the Turkish helicopter dropped as dead weight where as the Russian one even tried to recover and it ended up in normal posture on the ground, very hard and caught fire.
Is it possible that some more altitude could have given chance to the pilots to have a proper ‘crash’ landing?
From twitter, agitpapa
Most likely this is what happened.

If so, this will make the 2nd fatal accident involving Russian helos in Syria. RIP
But then, why did Russian MoD say it was shot down? Or did they really say it or was it media?
Also, the earliest news doesn’t add up which said the helo was for the Syrian military. Russia have not yet delivered the MiG-29M/M2 and Yak-130 ordered by Syria and there has been no news regarding any new Mi-24/35 or old ones from Russian stocks being transferred to the Syrian military.
Based on what I read they were support to retrofit Lada-2 with new AIP and 3 with AIP and Lion battery but now they will just keep the lada as it is and Kalina will be its latest variant …I would think the AIP and Lion batter are not mature enough yet
Yes. Thats what I too understood from the development. 677 Lada was considered not to “meet requirements” of future due to the AIP developments on the other side. So they paused the construction/project to give time for AIP to complete the development and certification process. It remains to be seen what all changes would be there from the current 677. If there is also a 8-cell VLS along with the AIP sections, the better.
Not sure else to expect…..maybe changing the current 2 x diesel units to 1 x more powerful diesel, more powerful electric motor?
But Kolomna diesel (or for that matter any other) supplier need to have strict quality control before delivery and avoid instances like what happened on 12150 Mangust class with Zevzda diesels.
The basics of AIP is a matured tech as far as Russia is considered. They have been using it for space travel/stay for decades. The submarine AIP/Electro-chemical Generators lagged behind in development only due to financial problems.
I’m not much enthusiastic about Lithium ion batteries as the world wide trend (on a/c) shows it needs to mature more. Submarines cant take any sort of risk with a fire at its keel. Not sure whats the status of new Russian batteries is, but Igorr did mention about the new developments in his blog or in the forum somewhere.
22350. Admiral Gorshkov

^ Standardizing this mast/systems across the fleet, mainly with 11356, would be good. Wish the Rus mod think something like that and we get to see the rest 3 x 11356 with such an arrangement. It will help in employing the longer range AD mssiles on these ships. Or is this mast also in the monopoly of the Severnya arseoles like the 22350?
The Russian shipyard cat. 🙂


Pr.21631 (Serpukhov, Buyan-M class) @ Russian naval station, Tartus, Syria.

With regard to made-in-India and exports from India.
I see prospect for two Indian products, but cant see India or Govt having the ability to fulfill any of those in the future. If the GoI act properly India could indeed be landing some good deals and the biggest export from India.
The two products being HAL’s HTT-40 BTA and Tejas. Customer being Syria in say 2-5 years time. Good time considering that HTT-40 and Tejas is likely to have crossed their maturity period by then.
SyAAF has lost most of their BTA and their fighters need replacement and boost in the future once the war is over or the situation has stabilized.
What they need is low cost single engine a/c to replace the MiG-21/23/Su-22 etc and numbers can be anywhere from 120-200 or more. The BTA could number around 100 aircrafts or more.
But if at all Syria (and other former Soviet/Russian a/c operators) is looking to these two a/c they would more likely be interested in an a/c with Russian/Indian systems rather than western ones. BTA would be the initial requirement and they have two-three non-western prospects in the market (HTT-40/Yak-152). This could be a relatively low risk start if India is serious in exporting its wares.
Russian aircraft carrier to take part in Syria operation by October.
Interesting. I suppose that implies that the MiG-29K squadron is ready for operational deployment then?
Hmm….it was earlier said to be in June-July. Now its October.
It would be a good operational deployment for all those involved – Kuznetsov, MiG-29K, Su-33 and Kamov’s.
Since India did not venture into testing the 29K and carrier against the terrorists, Russian 29Ks will be the first one to do the honors.
The fact that that hardware had been built was reported in 2010. If my memory is correct, the source was RIA Novosti, which cited a named Russian senior official.
If I’m not wrong, the system they got delivered recently was not what they contracted in 2010. They were given different system.
^ It will cost lesser than any similar European BTA. Cost can be further reduced if they do away with zero-zero ejection and go for a zero-60 variant. Not sure which ejection seats its using, but a Zevzda variant will be cheaper than european counterparts.
Bangladesh already went for Yak-152, so no chance. When can we expect a booking from Sri Lanka? 🙂
Compare thrust levels – the Yak-130 requires at least 25kN, preferably more (consider the F124 on the almost identically-sized M-346), whereas the AL-55 as currently in production delivers only 17kN. The core engine of the latter combined with a bigger LP shaft (higher BPR, more like the AI222) should indeed fit that bill very nicely, so I expect that is precisely what the SM-100 is.
True. I hope that SM-100 is a variant of Al-55.
I too meant an AL-55 variant with more thrust as they mention a power range upto 5 tons for AL-55 growth potential.
btw, why does the attachment I posted above looks larger than what I earlier posed which displays as a useful thumbnail?
Russia did not have the higher power range engines as the development/production halted in the 90s courtesy the economic crisis following dissolution. The presentation outlining the plan/progress gives a good list of hope on the powerplants. Sort of a breakthrough like that of the first Soviet turbojet TR1 from Salyut. Hope we see it all before 2020-22.
Engines based on modernized/modified PD-14 gas generators/core.
PD-24 (24t), PD-28 (28t), PD-35 (35t)
From this presentation it looks like there may not be a PD-30 designation anymore as its been superseded by the more powerful variant PD-35. The PD-28 variants are to cover the powerband crossing 30t or maybe a lower version of PD-35 like the PD-14A.