Yep, I also fail to see the mystical shipyard revitalization from this, there are better alternatives, the whole thing is meh. If the weapon config that we have seen floated is true, even less interesting. Oh well.

Yes, true.
Russian shipbuilding greatest enemy have been finance (& now skilled labor) and not lack of knowledge on modular construction or efficiency. When there is proper finance, the shipyard works with good efficiency and we are seeing good examples of it with Sevmash & the smaller Yantar.

The contracts for the Mistral hull section being made at Baltisky Yard (which was stripped and dumped by its private owners and which went complete bankrupt at the start of this year) shows that the claim of “French revolution” in Russia is not true.;) Russia yards can built the necessary things as per specification and efficiently if proper finance is there.

Mistral seems more like a political deal with Putin investing a lot of personal effort to get the deal over inspite of severe USC oppositon to it.

If they get the know how to build modular ship then its ok else the USC-SOKO offer for a SoKo design was a good one and cheaper too.

May be Putin got some kickback from Mistral deal ? The french are good at giving kickbacks to get deals.

Yes, it probably was a political deal. But spare Putin on that. His greatest drawback is his lack of (sort of) deep knowledge on military hardware and such and to amplify it he has a bunch of idiots in his cabinet. I smell all this as the work of the timber merchant…:p It probably has to be him and his group that is making money out of all foreign deals.

Btw, when talking about modular construction. Yantar is the best placed one right now. And no French Misstral deal was there to revolutionize the way Yantar have bounced back. It was Putin’s promise to the region that made the Indian Navy’s order for the 2nd batch went to Yantar instead of Baltisky yard (which by that time was swallowed by the private entity expecting to reap the profits of future orders). The result is positive all around, the yard is back on its foot and running smooth and the Indian Navy’s order is on track without much delay.

Yantar’s past w.r.t the ships that have been built there is mighty impressive for the size of the yard. With new finance, Yantar is already showing that its on its way back.

Well I don’t think Putin needs anything from France, he has a substantial “extra” income over mandated pay as is :o, and his accounts are huge as is.
Also I don’t see why Russia would want to politically reward France, for what is such an expensive gift necessary? Really was it all for the Command System that Russia may not get in any case? RuNavy is the customer here, don’t see why they are being flexible for French demands in this deal.

Wish they went with South Koreans instead.

True, Putin is out of this stuff. If there was commissions and likewise , my suspicion all along have been the timber merchant and the backstabber Medvedev… there are far too many military systems (from pistols to armoured vehicles) which are well within Russian industries capability being offloaded to foreign manufacturers without even providing funds for the local developers.

Also, that French tech for command systems etc look far fetched…

w.r.t to Mistrals. Link from what TR1 earlier posted. I didn’t see it posted earlier, so posting it now.
Btw, the more details come out on Mistrals, its disappointing… the only comforting fact (but a very valuable one also) is the time saving of probably 6-7 years. Other than that, there is absolutely nothing that Russian design bureaus or shipyards could not have achieved. There is not going to be any revolution in shipbuilding in Russia due to the Mistral contracts as some members pointed out in another thread, which I still disagree.

Company “Baltic Plant – Shipbuilding” started cutting metal for the body of the first of two “Mistral”
August 1, 2012 11:55

Company “Baltic Plant – Ship building,” August 1, 2012 start cutting metal for the body of the first of two helicopter types “Mistral.” As the press service of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), the works are on schedule.

Cutting of metal for the second helicopter is scheduled for May 2012.

Cutting of metal for the first of the Russian “Mistral” began at the Baltic Shipyard as soon as Admiralty shipyard delivered the first package of design and technological documentation, adapted to the capacities of the Russian shipyard. Bookmark the ship is scheduled for October 1.

It is noted that the Baltic Shipyard is a company-builder of floating units for the first two shells landing helicopter dock ships of the “Mistral”. Admiralty Shipyards involved in construction as a contractor-designer.

Recall that in July 2012 the French company STX France supplied the Admiralty Shipyard 3d-model of floating body parts of the helicopter carrier “Mistral” and the first batch of technical documentation for the project vehicle. Admiralty Shipyards, without violating the design of future spacecraft, redesigned the project so that it was implementing the facilities of the Baltic shipyard.

“The fact that the body of a French ship built of steel sheets of 3.2 x 16 m, and our equipment can be cut only 3.2 x 12 m, – explained the essence of the adaptation of Director General of” Baltic Plant – ship “Alexander Voznesensky. – Accordingly, it was necessary to recalculate all the way to build a building of our pages. At the same time also had to take into account the capacity of our cranes: all the elements of the case should not be heavier than 120 tons. “

“Rosoboronexport” and the French company DCNS signed in June 2011. United Shipbuilding Company, which consists of a “Admiralty Shipyards” and LLC “Baltic Shipyard, Shipbuilding,” attracted to the deal as a subcontractor to a French shipyard STX France in Saint-Nazaire. USC will build 24 blocks of hull (aft of both ships), which is about 40% of cases. The blocks will be sent to France where he will build a complete helicopter.

Company “Baltic Plant – shipbuilding” (LLC “CES”) is a United Shipbuilding Corporation. The company was founded in late 2011 to rescue the personnel and production competencies Baltic Shipyard, which was driven into bankruptcy by the former owner. In January 2012 the majority of employees of the “Baltic Plant” has moved to the state company “LES.” Through this venture, not only successfully completing the previously begun work, but also attracts new contracts.

“Baltic Plant” (St. Petersburg) – one of the largest shipbuilding industry in Russia, specializes in the construction of icebreakers and ice-class vessels (with nuclear power plants and diesel), large vessels for the carriage of cargo and military ships.

JSC “United Shipbuilding Corporation” – the largest shipbuilding company in Russia. Established in accordance with presidential decree in 2007 with 100% of federal property. The holding includes about 60 companies and organizations in the industry (major shipbuilding and repair yards, leading planning and design offices). At present, based on the USC consolidated about 70% of the domestic shipbuilding industry. The Russian market – the basis for the corporation, which also exports its products to 20 countries.

Russia pay a premium for the two mistrals and we see the French off-shore the work to Russia itself and gets the job done at probably a fraction of the costs (btw,where is the revolutionary ship-building technology transfer? ;)). But it is ok as Russian yards are getting the work. But then, this is the price to pay for short-sightedness and not investing in what you need at the proper time. If there was a proper plan, timeline and investment, the profit that French are reaping over the Mistrals could have been invested in Russia itself.

Btw, it looks like French & DCN is having a golden age. From the Indian RFI for LPD, it looks as if it was made with Mistral in mind and I’m sure Mistrals will be the LPD for Indian Navy and I hope it it!
So finally India-Russia-France are going to operate the same LPD. 😀

I fully welcome the Mistrals for IN, because India simply doesn’t have any design or fabrication capability at present or had any in the past to further such a platform, where as in the case of Russia it was the opposite and the reason why I believe it was a bad deal for Russia (except for time saving).

Are there any (proposed) images of the model?

you got it…

http://red-stars.org/spip.php?article331

http://www.russiadefence.net/t1093p90-ka-52-in-russian-air-force

Mack8,
Thanks for the links…great find.

ADA have put up the list of LRU’s to be indigenously made and this could be the best opportunity for the private/public companies with the required capability and skill to join the aviation sector and make the industrial base stronger. The process is going to help make the ADA/HAL/Indian aviation industries in a better position to contribute in much better value to ongoing & future projects, including the PAK-FA/FFGA. I wish everything go smoothly.

http://www.ada.gov.in/ADA-IND.pdf

INDIGENOUS DEVELOPMENT OF LINE REPLACEABLE UNITS (LRU’s) FOR LCA-TEJAS

ADA is the Nodal agency involved in the design and development of Tejas Aircraft along with HAL as a principal partner and in coordination with nearly 100 work centres spread across the country. The Tejas development program is in advanced stage, completed Initial Operation Clearance (IOC) requirements and marching towards final operation clearance (FOC). Tejas has completed over 2000 flights so far and continuing system performance and evaluation towards reaching Final Operational Clearance (FOC). There are 358 LRU’s (Components) in the Tejas aircraft, out of which 53% of total LRU’s are indigenously developed with in India. In view to reduce the remaining 47% of the import LRU’s, ADA has initiated the Indigenous development programme for indigenization of the import LRU’s.

The List of Components (LRU’s) which belong to different systems of Aircraft, ADA is looking to indigenous is given in the table below.

Sl. No. System Equipment / LRU

1 Avionics – Enhanced – Video cum Digital Recorder (E-VDR)
2 Avionics – E-VDR Remote Cassette Unit Holder (RCUH)
3 Avionics – E-VDR Removable Mass Memory Device
4 Avionics – Global Positioning System (GPS)- Antenna
5 Avionics – Gyro Reference Unit [GRU]
6 Avionics – HMDS (Head Mounted Display System) – Guillotine Assembly
7 Avionics – HMDS-Line of sight computer Unit
8 Avionics – HMDS-Magnetic Transmitter Coil Unit [MTCU]
9 Avionics – HMDS-Seat Position Sensor Assembly
10 Avionics – HMDS-System Control Panel
11 Avionics – Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) – Antenna
12 Avionics – Marker Antenna
13 Avionics – MMR (Multi Mode Radar) – Ethernet switch
14 Avionics – Multi Function Display Unit [MFD]
15 Avionics – Radio Altimeter (RAM)-Antenna
16 Avionics – RWR (Radar Warning Receiver) – Antenna
17 Avionics – RWR – Power Divider
18 Avionics – RWR – Switch Filter Assembly (RF Units)
19 Avionics – Tactical Navigation (TACAN) – Antenna
20 Avionics – Very/ Ultra High Frequency (V/UHF) Blade Antenna
21 Avionics – Very/ Ultra High Frequency (V/UHF) Radio ACR 500LA
22 Avionics – VHF Omni Range – Instrument Landing System (VOR – ILS) Blade Antennas
23 Avionics – VOR – ILS Diplexer

24 Environmental Control – Bypass Valve PHE (Primary Heat Exchanger)
25 Environmental Control – Cabin Pressure Control Valve
26 Environmental Control – Cabin Pressure Safety Valve
27 Environmental Control – Cabin Shut-Off Valve
28 Environmental Control – ECS-Shut-Off Valve
29 Environmental Control – Ejector Shut Off Valve (ESOV)
30 Environmental Control – Filter Cabin Pressure Control
31 Environmental Control – Flow Control Valve – Avionics cooling
32 Environmental Control – Inward Relief Valve
33 Environmental Control – Pressure Reducer-Radar and Cabin Seal Pressurization
34 Environmental Control – Pressure Sensor Avionics Inlet
35 Environmental Control – Pressure Sensor P26 (Condenser)
36 Environmental Control – Pressure Sensor- P79(Avionics Flow Control)
37 Environmental Control – Pressure Sensor P24 – Bleed Air Inlet
38 Environmental Control – Pressure Switch (Bleed Air Inlet)
39 Environmental Control – Pressure Switch-High
40 Environmental Control – Pressure Switch-Low
41 Environmental Control – Pressure Transducer-Cabin
42 Environmental Control – PRV-SOV (Pressure Reduction Valve/Shut off Valve)
43 Environmental Control – PRV-SOV- Control Unit
44 Environmental Control – Seal Inflation / Deflation Valve
45 Environmental Control – Temperature Control Valve
46 Environmental Control – Temperature Sensor (High)
47 Environmental Control – Temperature Sensor (Low)
48 Environmental Control – Temperature Sensor-Pneumatic
49 Environmental Control – Water Separator

50 Electrical – 0.35 kVA HMDG (Hydraulic Motor Driven Generatror) – LH (Left Hand)
51 Electrical – 0.35 kVA HMDG – RH (Right Hand)
52 Electrical – 0.35 kVA HMDG – VRU (Voltage Regulator Unit)
53 Electrical – 30 / 40 kVA IDG (Integral Drive Generator)
54 Electrical – 30 / 40 kVA IDG-GCU (Generator Control Unit)
55 Electrical – 5 kVA HMDG
56 Electrical – 5 kVA HMDG -GCU
57 Electrical – Ground Power Receptacle (GPR)
58 Electrical – Light – Anti Collision
59 Electrical – Light Taxi/Landing
60 Electrical – Light-Wander
61 Electrical – Power Supply Unit – Anti Collision Light
62 Electrical – Undercarriage display unit
63 Electrical – Undercarriage Selector Lever

64 ESCAPE – Ejection Seat

65 Flight Control – Air Data Probe [NADP]
66 Flight Control – Air Data Sensor – Left Side [LADP]
67 Flight Control – Air Data Sensor – Right Side [RADP]
68 Flight Control – AoA (Angle of Attach) Sensor [AoA / AoSS vanes]
69 Flight Control – Pilot Control Grip
70 Flight Control – Leading Edge Vane Controller (LEVCON) Servo Actuator Assembly
71 Flight Control – Probe Total Temperature [TATP]
72 Flight Control – Sensor Assembly, Accelerometer [ASA]
73 Flight Control – Sensor Assembly Rate [RSA]

74 Health and Utility Management System (HUMS) – HUMS-Data Acquisition unit

75 Hydraulic – Control cable – Park Brake Control
76 Hydraulic – Control cable – Under carriage Emergency
77 Hydraulic – Emergency Undercarriage Selector Valve
78 Hydraulic – Flow Synchronizer
79 Hydraulic – Pressure Gauge
80 Hydraulic – Pressure Switches
81 Hydraulic – Pressure Switch – EMDP (Electric Motor Driven Pump)
82 Hydraulic – Pressure Switch – P/B
83 Hydraulic – Pressure Transducers
84 Hydraulic – Progressive Pressure Control Valve
85 Hydraulic – Slide & Swivel Joints

86 Landing Gear – Antiskid Brake Manifold
87 Landing Gear – Brake Feel Module Input Potentiometer
88 Landing Gear – Free castor valve for Nose Wheel Steering (Solenoid valve)
89 Landing Gear – Nose Wheel Steering Input Potentiometer
90 Landing Gear – Nose Wheel Steering Manifold
91 Landing Gear – Nose Wheel Steering Position Sensor (Feedback potentiometer)

92 Propulsion and Fuel – Air / No Fuel Float Valve
93 Propulsion and Fuel – Differential Pressure Switch
94 Propulsion and Fuel – Electric Re-fuelling Valve
95 Propulsion and Fuel – Engine third mount pin
96 Propulsion and Fuel – Float Valve
97 Propulsion and Fuel – Fuel Drain Valve
98 Propulsion and Fuel – Fuel Filler Cap
99 Propulsion and Fuel – Fuel flow straighter
100 Propulsion and Fuel – Fuel flow Transmitter
101 Propulsion and Fuel – Fuel Shut Off C0ck
102 Propulsion and Fuel – Fuel/No Air Valve
103 Propulsion and Fuel – Low Pressure Fuel Shut Off C0ck dia 25 mm
104 Propulsion and Fuel – Motorized Fuel Transfer Valve
105 Propulsion and Fuel – Pressure Reducing Valves
106 Propulsion and Fuel – Surge Relief Valve – F1 & F2 tanks
107 Propulsion and Fuel – Surge Relief Valve – F1A tanks
108 Propulsion and Fuel – Surge Relief Valve – Wing tanks
109 Propulsion and Fuel – Throttle Grip
110 Propulsion and Fuel – Throttle Quadrant Assembly
111 Propulsion and Fuel – Transfer Cum Refueling Valve

112 Utility Services and Monitoring (USMS) – Charge Amplifier (Pre Amplifier)

ADA is inviting the vendors/developers who are willing to take up the development of above components. ADA will provide all the information about components, Such as Technical Specifications, Test Requirements etc. Hence interested vendors may contact the following personnel for details of respective systems:

ADA is much more open and transparent to the Indian taxpayers, compared to say the CVRDE and their mess. I hope CVRDE put forward such a detailed list of components for the Arjun MBT that need to be indigenously made. Will we ever see that happen? 😉

There are also Mistral inspired LHDs with conventional shaft propulsion units which was offered to Thailand…

http://i.imgur.com/7MPbb.jpg

If the sell-outs in the Russians defence ministry & Govt was/is kicked out, Russia cold have saved the outrageous amount being spend on Mistrals and built a ship based on any of the earlier Russian design or a modified version of Pr.1174.