Again, that is assuming P15 ‘as is’ does not have that capability. I’m not quite sure we’ve definitively established it does not have that capability already…. I’m also not even quite sure 11356 and P17 have the same CMS (there has apparently been a change in project cost [see: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Future/189-Frigate.html%5D, so perhaps only the last three share that, but again: no firm info). Also, I’m not sure CCIS refers to the CMS or the communications suite.

P15 Delhi class (Italian derived Indian CMS)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Active/182-Delhi-Class.html

P17 Shivalik class (Indian CMS)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Active/190-Project-17.html

Project 11356 Talwar class (Russian CMS)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Active/180-Talwar-Class.html

As per the article and from what they said, CCIS looks like the CMS, but can it be just for communication…

Our successful cooperation is well exemplified by the joint development of the radically new combat command information system for project 17 capable of controlling weapons operated by not only a single ship, but by a whole naval force.

I’m not sure either. But its a combat system not just able to manage own ships combat assets, but also able to control the weapons from other ships and a whole battle group. For instance, not designating AD missiles from different ships to the same target etc.

The “indigenous” and “locally” developed systems these days does not hold much value because most of it are with JV and ToT and which are locally produced. The Indian developers and manufacturers have started calling everything as “indigenous”, corrupting the meaning that we used to have it earlier.

In the P-17 link, there isn’t mention of the Russian involvement in the combat suite where as the page from United Ship Building Corp clearly mentions the Joint Development (possibly a modified version of what was available earlier) for the CCIS (what ever it means). That is the reason why I asked who is that “our” meaning the entity involved in the CCIS developeed for P-17.

The Be-200 can operate from either a 1,800 m long runway or an area of open water not less than 2,300 m long and 2.5 m deep, with waves of up to 1.3 m high

No it is way behind in capcity to Shinmaywa at least for amphibious aircraft

I’ll believe that capability of ShinMaywa US2 to operate during 3m high waves when they post a video of it actually operating. Else it is very difficult to believe. Even in the videos of the aircraft taking off in relatively calm weather with very low waves, the amphibian ride doesn’t looks smooth compared to the Be-200 or A-40.

But there is one very definite advantage that ShinMaywa US2 have and that is its very short take-off and landing capability on water. Others like range and the promoted 3m capablity (when tke-off with even lower wave height looks shaky) is not at any significant capability for a game changer. If ShinMaywa is selected, it will be mainly for its short take-off in which it wins hands down.

Also,

ShinMaywa US2
Crew: 11 (how they are distributed?)
Capacity: 20 passengers or 12 stretchers

Be-200
Crew: 2 (maybe 2 more handling persons?)
Capacity: upto 45 persons (Search & rescue variant)

Be-200 have higher capacity, more than double that of US2, and still weights only the same or even less. A more powerful engine will definetely shorten the current take-off distance provided by the old D-30.

http://www.beriev.com/eng/core_e.html

Search & Rescue

Be-200 search and rescue aircraft can loiter within two-hundred-mile zone for 6.5 hours.
The aircraft equipment includes inflatable rubber dinghy, thermal-imaging and optical search aids, and first-aid means.
Be-200 aircraft in this modification can take up to 45 passengers aboard.

Ambulance

Be-200 aircraft in ambulance version provides evacuation of up to 40 injured persons on stretchers, with medical staff attending on the injured. The aircraft is equipped with emergency-diagnostics and intensive care facilities. 30 injured persons can be transported on stretchers.

Transport

Be-200 aircraft can be used for transportation of cargoes in standard containers, on pallets, or loose.
Flight range with 6.5-ton payload and 1-hour fuel reserve is 1250 km.

Passenger (Be-210)

Crew, pilot: 2
Service personnel: 2
Number of passengers: 72

Firefighting (basic version, all others are based on this)

Crew, pilots: 2
Tanks for fire extinguishing fluid, cu. m: 1.2
Tanks for water, cu. m: 12

The aircraft can drop 270 tons of water into the fire area without refueling.

and a very good view of An-22
http://russianplanes.net/images/to74000/073761.jpg

Superjet 100 Crash Probe May Take More than One Year
06:30 11/05/2012
JAKARTA, May 11 (RIA Novosti)

It may take experts up to 15 months to investigate the crash of a Russian-made Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft in Indonesia, a representative of the Indonesian transport security committee said on Friday.

The probe is unlikely to be completed promptly because of “complex conditions” in the area where the aircraft crashed, he said.

The plane slammed into a steep mountainside at Mount Salak, outside the capital Jakarta, during a demonstration flight on Wednesday. There were 45 people on board, including eight Russians, one American, one French, two Italians and 33 Indonesians.

On Friday morning, a search operation continued in the area of the crash. The nearly vertical face of Mount Sakal has made search efforts extremely difficult.

The searchers have so far discovered no sign of any crash survivors. Rescue teams in helicopters have so far only found parts of the aircraft’s tail, local media reported on Friday. The aircraft’s flight data recorders have yet to be found.

At 9 a.m. local time (02:00 GMT), an advance team of 10 Indonesian searchers was 600 meters away from the crash site, the Detik.com online news portal said. The team has been trying to clear a site for helicopter landing, the report said, quoting a spokesman for Indonesia’s rescue service.

Six helicopters have been sent to the area. One of them is carrying Leonid Kashirsky, an official from the Interstate Aviation Committee, the Moscow-based body that carries out crash investigations in the CIS .

Russia’s acting Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Thursday experts believe the “human factor” was the most probable cause of the fatal crash. He maintained the aircraft is competitive and has “a bright future,” despite the tragic crash.

The Sukhoi Superjet-100 is Russia’s first new passenger jet since the fall of the Soviet Union and is designed to replace the obsolete Tu-134 and Yak-42.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120511/173382875.html

At Least 10 Bodies Found at Superjet Crash Site
11:31 11/05/2012
JAKARTA, May 11 (RIA Novosti)

The bodies of ten to fourteen people have been found by rescue teams in the wreckage of the Sukoi Superjet 100 airliner which crashed near Jakarta, Indonesia, on Wednesday, killing all 45 people on board, the director of the Indonesian emergency ministry’s crisis center said on Friday.

The aircraft hit steep ground at an altitude of 5,200 feet (1,600 meters) on Mount Salak near Jakarta during a demonstration flight. Eight of those on board were Russian, including the flight crew.

Indonesian rescue teams finally reached the crash site on Friday by roping down from helicopters. Further search teams are heading for the scene on the ground, hoping to clear landing sites for helicopters in order to bring out the bodies of the dead and wreckage.

Meanwhile, simulator trials held at a flight research center near Moscow suggest pilot error was a likely factor in the accident, Izvestia daily reported on Friday.

The trials, held at a pilot training center at Zhukovsky near Moscow, simulated “various emergency situations and concluded that none of those could have been behind the crash,” the paper said.

The SSJ-100’s cockpit terrain warning system informs pilots of approaching obstacles, a source at the center said.

“You just cannot miss the alert signal: if there is a danger, the system puts an alert message onto the central display, and a red light indicator as well as a speech alert come on,” he said. “Besides, automatic systems can intervene to try to help the plane avoid a colllision.”

The source suggested the pilots may have turned off the alert system in order to speak with the passengers or show them around the cabin.

Another expert at the center said the pilots may have “stopped taking notice” of the alert system as it is “nearly always on” in mountainious regions.

On Thurdsay, Russia’s acting Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said experts believe “human factor” was the most probable cause of the fatal crash of the aircraft.

“Experts say that all [the aircraft’s] equipment functioned smoothly. In other words, it could be some kind of a human error,” Rogozin told journalists.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120511/173387452.html

^^^
that was to be expected. The earlier the investigation is over, the better.
But will the airlines who had earlier planned to buy the jet, still buy it??

If the airlines don’t consider the unfortunate event as a bad omen, then probably they will go ahead with the contract after the investigation is over and the findings are on the positive side. Elze, its going to be bad for Sukhoi who started off their selfish individual project in building commercial brand name by almost destroying other players like Ilyushin, Tupolev and Yakovlev.

SSJ-100 Infographic from RIA Novosti

^^
Yes, they should have consulted either Russia or France. The two most reliable partners.

You mean 6.2km a minute ?

yup, sorry… anyway WL747 have corrected it below.

I would suggest you look at your maths.

200kt = 220mph = 354km/h

3600 secs in an hour therefore 354/3600 =0.098

in a second at 200kt, it would have travelled 98m.

Being too low in patchy rainclouds within a mountainous area usually ends badly, regardless of reaction time.

Kind Regards,
Scotty

Yeah, somehow i missed that vital 60 seconds during conversion.
I took 1.86 to arrive at 6.2km/h. But if we take 1.852, then it is 370.4km/h or 6.172km/min. Which gives 102.888m/sec

Anyway if we take 98m/sec it would have given just around 17 seconds as reaction time to pull out. 😮

The above is based on 200kts. So one more question, what would have been the real or normal flight speed for a commercial airliner of that class at that altitude?