I’m curious to know why Severnaya appears to have a near-monopoly over the Russian Navy’s warship orders. The 22350 frigates, the 20380 corvettes, all the nuclear submarines…

You pulled up a good question. It does not appear to be, but it is the truth. The ********s are in the process of creating monopoly and if the Russian Govt don’t act now the future is going to be very tough. We saw some cases of this “exclusivity” of the United Industrial corporation (OPK) yards earlier with the project-20380. There was talk of how only they have the technology and only they can built the super-tech mast blah blah. The same is being repeated with pr-22350. The earlier Russian Govt interfere and make available the same for United Shipbuilding Corporation (OSK) yards and starts building ships in other yards, the better. Else, Russian Navy will have project-22350 ships (in numbers) only in their dreams.

These ********s have a clear idea about the future needs and know what they should be concentrating on – 22350 & 20380. Monopolize and the cash flow is secured for any foreseeable future and having last word on pricing (bigger profits). They also know larger ships in the future will be very numbered and hence Baltisky Zavod having a sad demise (in their hands). More on that below.

Whatever happened to Baltisky Zavod? The ones who built the first batch of Talwars? The last military contract they had was supplying propulsion shafts for the Indian P15A destroyers. Heck, even the Kirov cruisers(which were orginally built by Baltisky Zavod) are going to be refurbished by Severnaya. Does the Russian Duma have some grudge against them or something?:confused:

To my knowledge, Baltisky Zavod after the successful completion of Talwar class, was taken over by the United Industrial corporation (OPK) in 2003 and the fate of it now is there for all of us to see. The only hope for Russian shipbuilding is for the Govt to get out of the dream and get back to business by Nationalising the Shipyards. OSK is a good start but lets hope they don’t privatise OSK in the future and repeat the mistakes. I’m totally against privatising organisation that is of National Interest, be it in India or Russia. India can learn few lessons from the Russians and make the system better by not repeating the mistakes that Russians have done and are doing even now. In addition, both India & Russia can learn a lot from the newcomer Chinese in the productivity & management department. But will the egos let it is the main question.

Severnaya Verf (Northern Shipyard) and Baltiysky Zavod (Baltic Plant), both based in St Petersberg (North West) are in private hands under the control of United Industrial corporation (OPK)….though I’m not sure if OSK have taken hold of BZ. From what I see, OPK is trying to concentrate all their building in the smaller Severnaya Verf (168 m x 20m max) by stripping the much larger and capale Baltiysky Zavod (350m x 36m) to create more profit for them. Whatever, the bloody idiots have destroyed a historical shipyard.

The only hope for Baltisky Zavods is if OSK picks it up when it is put up for auction by the banks. But considering that a new facility is being planned at Kotlin Island, it remains to be seen what the fate BZ is awaiting. Here is my earlier post on the shipyard modernisation planned … http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1769046&postcount=60

If indeed the Pr.22350 is armed with just 28 x medium-AD missiles, Russian navy would be better off investing in the Project-11356M (or block-2). From the model itself it gives something to cheer about, as itz a decent modification. Though much more could have been done (like a new integrated mast). The major changes that we can see are 36 x Shtil-1 medium range missiles.

But there is also another one down below – modified sonar housing.

I don’t know if the modellers did the mistake on the dome or if it is actually in the design. If its actually a design modification, its certainly with the aim of improving the sonar performance by channeling the fluids around the dome. The difference in the sonar housing can be seen by comparing the 11356 & 11356M.

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http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attac…852&download=1

28 120km range missiles is nothing to be ashamed off at that displacement – the CIWS will have their own short-range missiles right?

I do agree the ratio is weirdly small if its 16 anti ship missiles and 28 long range SAMs.

I won’t ever be able to agree with this. If indeed what we see as 28 x 9m96 is true…..that begs a serious question. Is this for what the Russian Navy & MoD spend their precious time & budget – A ship that is on a level lower than the Project-11356-Block-2 in terms of its AD endurance????

A ship that have been in the making for the last 6 years (+ atleast 24 months of prior documentation) that took the precious budget & time and coming out with just 28 air-defence missiles is a JOKE!

Sorry, I cant ever agree with that argument of Russian designers.

Nothing would compensate for the time and funding that was wasted on this project by ignoring all the 12+17 large ships. Russian navy would have been in much better shape if they had invested the time and money during the last 6-8 years on upgrading the Udaloys & Sovremennys with new AD missiles. It would also be better for the future of RuN if they invest in the more economical pr.11356 rather than a costly ship with limited capability. (all these said based on the assumption of just 28 AD missiles).

Considering what the aft end of a Talwar class ship looks like, what ship is this exactly? Or is it still missing the entire stern section?

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11356M
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Yes, its the section of the ship without the aft section which include the hanger. From what I see, it looks like they are building it in 3-4 big section, though I cannot be 100% true. it could as well be either 3 or 5 –

1) mid-aft (from what we seea & probably the heaviest),
2) the stern (the smallest & lightest, from what is missing)
3) the fore section upto the bridge (from what is missing or atleast from what I can see)
4) mid-section from the bridge to the exhaust stack (also missing in the picture)

The pic shows that the keel have been built only upto the level where the landing deck will be. The two hatches we see in the section are to the service area below the helicopter deck.

hope that helps.

Why was this news not posted? This is a big boost to the Sri Lankans and also shows the state of affairs of Indian yards.

Navy to buy 80 interception boats from Lankan firm

NEW DELHI: India will procure 80 fast-interception craft (FICs) or high-speed patrol boats from a Sri Lanka-based ship manufacturer to equip the new Sagar Prahari Bal (SPB) being raised by Navy in the aftermath of the 26/11 terror attacks in Mumbai.

Defence ministry officials on Thursday said the Sri Lanka-based SOLAS Marine has been selected after a global tender and the around Rs 300-crore contract will be inked soon. “The delivery of the FICs should be completed in three years,” said an official.

These 80 FICs will be in addition to the 15 similar boats being acquired from French shipyard Chantier Naval Couach, three of which have already been inducted at Mumbai. “All these 15 FICs will be with the Navy by end-2012,” he said.

If what I heard from some local channels was right, these costly French boats have already become useless as they are not fit to be used during the mansoons.

Indian Navy to buy 80 fast interception craft from Lankan firm.

India has placed an order for 80 fast-interception craft (FICs), or high-speed patrol boats, from a Sri Lanka-based ship manufacturer to equip the new Sagar Prahari Bal (SPB) being raised by Navy. The SPB was created in the aftermath of the 26/11 terror attacks in Mumbai.

Defence ministry officials on Thursday said the Sri Lanka-based SOLAS Marine has been selected after a global tender and the around Rs300 crore ($67 million) contract would be inked soon.

“The delivery of the FICs should be completed in three years,” said an official.

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The 15 FICs are being procured from the French company at a cost of Rs60 crore.

French cost – Rs.40million/boat
Sri Lankan cost – Rs.37.5million/boat

no one replied to the three domes on the Yaroslav Mudryy. Is it safe to assume that the three domes that we see are satellite dish (on the hanger) & two Kashtan command post?

Those technological hatches are more like built for but not with capability , they would provide future upgrade potential possibly for Big Missile of S-400 missile if required.

my view is that there is not going to be any big missiles from S-400 or any Anti-ship missiles that will get installed in that “mysterious” area. They are not for any future capablity for these kinds of missiles. The hull simply will not have space to accomodate over 9m VLS frames. If that area still have space for some installation, the best we can talk about is for small short range missiles or anti-sub rockets.

Given where she is in fitting out, there may not be any defensive weapons installed just yet. But even if there are, considering what’s being installed on locally built corvettes and frigates, I’ld expect AK630 (around the deck) plus VL Barak (in the island structure). But (early?) artist impressions show her with several (2-3) Kashtan.

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Thanks for pic. The drawings did not show weapons fit except for the kashtans, maybe because the final weapons fit was not confirmed. But the two edges of the stern can be installed with the new Duet or AK-630.

what do you mean by around the deck for AK-630, where else other than the two edges?