Neustrashimy underarmed?! You’re joking. All it may need are some Uran’s amidship. Don’t think changing over to Shtil is worth the cots/effort. Particulalry since in the Black Sea, this ship will operated under cover of land-based avaiation.

The most underarmed would be Udaloy (I) which dont have their full complement of Klinok (and make do in part with glorified manpads instead).

Did it sound like a joke to you?
Neustrishimy class might be a good ASW frigate but she is a sailing turkey without land-based air-cover and would drain upon the resources of other ships in a crisis environment. The short ranged Klinok & Kashtan is not going to give a 2nd thought for any aircrafts. They can even fly overhead and drop dumb bombs out of coverage of the shrot-ranged missiles. I firmly believe the two ships has to be given a decent medium-range AD cover. Its not good to depend on land-based aviation.

moreover, Black sea fleets area of operation is not just Black sea, it included the Black sea & the Mediterranean.

But, why do you think that changing over to Shtil is not worth & cost-effective?

Emile might know his aerodynamics. He might be poor in English. But one thing I am sure of after reading his posts is that he has NO sense of how to talk to other humans.

He has indirectly called people willing to discuss with him fools.

My hats of to people who have the courage and patience to tolerate such idiocy.

Best,

Saub

Take it easy man. Emile may not be that rude or bad as you are thinking. He could be the victim of the translator that he is using. See the reply he gave you for your “caution”. Only God knows what the translation he got for your message. So lets not brand others as bad for what could be the handy work of the translator. I know it would be pretty hard for the posters to hear rude words, but lets also consider the “invisible hand” behind those rude words and try to ignore it.

LOL!..
@emile

What raids13 really said is that YOU or YOUR posting style here on this forum is very RUDE.

I feel the same way.
There are many misunderstanding between you and latenlazy.
Now pls try to improve your way of posting to other members here, especialy if they only asking some questions..
No need to attract any moderators attension.

As i said above, it maybe the translator who is behind all these. I don’t know what his translator would tell him what I wrote. Maybe I’m next in line for a taste of the translator? 😀

I need more pictures than this, but oh well

http://cs11516.vkontakte.ru/u2265977/126809624/z_235d814e.jpg?dl=1

I didn’t knew starborad stern had such an entry. No signs of any missile installation on the edges, so no missile installation there? They could have installed Duet or Palma there.

Big Renovation Program for Russia’s Black Sea Fleet
Mikhail Baraban

Finally, two Project 11540 frigates of the Baltic Fleet, the Neustrashimyy and the Yaroslav Mudryy, are expected to be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet some time in 2011. The Yaroslav Mudryy was completed and delivered to the Russian Navy only last year.

The two 11540 frigates will definetely add comfort to the Black sea fleet considering the USN getting interested in the waters. Its was high time some decent ships were deputed to the Black sea fleet. These two frigates (if indeed) are going to be stationed in Black sea are in anticipation of the USN in the area in the near future. The three 11356 class will take another 3-4 years to come.

Of the two (as far as I’m aware) only the Yaroslav have 16 x Urans where as the Neustrishimy still doesn’t have the anti-shipping missiles. Also, these two frigates are armed with just short-range AD missiles confining it to the purely defensive role. This is going to be a handicap as they need to have the capablity of postering to the USN ships if the situation demands so in the future. So for any postering they need to have a decent AD capablity under which they can safely move around and keep any offensive assets at a safe distance. Considering that Sakshvilli is still in Georgia, we can gaurantee a 2nd Russo-Georgian bout and Unkil is sure to come in.

Neustrishimy frigates are probably the most underarmed ships (for its size) in the Russian Navy. I cant understand why they are not upgrading the ships with the Shtil-I missiles. Having two close/short range weapons looks really stupid. They need to remove the Klinok system from the ship and instead install the Shtil-I missiles in its place.

OK….just a touch and go piece from me, not perfect. Copy pasted to created this in short time. But this is the kind of upgrade that I would personally like to see for the Pr.11540. I have taken the Moskit variant model as the base for creating it so don’t get surprised to see the mid-ship almost empty. This is just to give an visual idea about the upgrade

1) 64-96 x Shtil-I missiles (replace Klinok & RBU-6000)
2) 16-24 x Klub(angled outward)/Uran(transverse) missiles installed mid-ship (consider the Korsar models)
3) 2 x RBU-6000 at the stern flanking the ASW service area.
4) 2 x Kashtan/palma
5)

This configuration is possible and won’t need limited modification to the ships decks but would give the ships a multi-role capablity.

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What are the two domes thats installed on the sides of Yaroslav Mudryy? They are of almost the same size of the Kasthan command post. Is it EW equipments or additional command post for the AD missiles?

Also, I just like that sliced bow of the Neustrishimy class. Have a sort of beauty in that slicing. The same can be seen on Slava, Kirov (though not much prominent due to the size of the ship) and the Gepard class.

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/2011/06/17/nouveau-succes-a-l%E2%80%99export-pour-dcns-avec-le-bpc-mistral/

So, Mistral deal is happening. This link says transfer of technology is happening. It has damn better well happen.

They sure do make it sound like a done deal:

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110620/164725353.html

Part of interview, it shows the opposition from USC for the Mistral contract earlier..

ARMS Defence Technologies Review 5/2010

President of JSC United Shipbuilding Corporation Roman Trotsenko
Baltiysky Zavod and Severnaya Verf

Recently Director General of “Yantar” shipyard pleaded the Federal Antimonopoly Service of the Russian Federation to check the compliance with law of some provisions of the State Defence Order concerning the deal on four French Mistral ships (amphibious assault ship, a type of helicopter carrier) for the Russian Navy. Can USC offer up-to-date ship of this class to the Russian navy?

Ships for the Navy should not be purchased abroad, but should be built in Russia. That’s why we suggest that these ships should be built at the Russian shipyards, which are in the structure of USC.

We think that our position over this question should be taken into consideration during negotiations with France and other states on the issues related to purchasing of amphibious assault ships. There are no complicated things in the construction. The Russian shipbuilders are ready to start producing these ships using USC productive facilities. Moreover, Russia has experience in building of such combat ships, let us remember the “Ivan Rogov” class landing ship. Another issue is that the Ministry of Defence failed to find the area where that ship could be used.

In case of the designing Russian version of the ship the total work period is going to be increased up to 18 months. Taking into account the urgency of the issue we developed and sent to the Minister of Defence A. Serdukov and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy V. Vysotskiy a letter where we ask for opportunity to take up a license to build the Dokdo amphibious landing ships. Dokdo is assessed to be much more modern ship of this class than French Mistral. Dokdo is ahead of Mistral due to some main technical characteristics.

We estimate the construction of Dokdo in Russia about 450 million US dollars, at the same time the French Mistral ship costs 600 million Euro.We think that rationally the cheeper project should be selected.

We are intrinsically against with some official representatives from the Ministry of Defence that it will take longer time for Russian shipbuilders to produce the ship. The licenced construction of the Dokdo assault landing ship at the shipyards of USC will take 30 months. And USC guarantees this term.

The main advantage of this variant is that USC in cooperation with “Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering Co. Ltd” has opportunity to acquire the license to build these ships in Russia.

The acquisition of French Mistral actually means acquisition from South Korea as the French shipyard belongs to the Korean STX company. But for Russia it is more profitable to build this ship in the framework of a Joint Venture on the Russian territory under the State’s control.

We hope that the Russian Ministry of Defence, taking into account the newly appeared alternative, will conduct open and fair tender on amphibious landing ships for the Russian Navy. We also express our hope that the Ministry of Defence will remain the main customer of the Russian shipyards for the Fleet.

Seen at IMDS 2011 , Gorshkov FFG

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/10753863.jpg/

Snake65 i could see lot of VLS cells on Gorshkov frigate , VLS cells even amid ship how many SAM and Anti-ship missiles does it carry ?

from the model it looks armed with

16 x Yakhont/Klub
28 x AD missiles ??
(AD missile loadout is confusing. The silo hatches number 28 in total. What does it mean?)

Is it any new VLS that can accomodate 2-3 missiles? But considering the diamerter of the missile and hatch it looks highly unlikely. So does it mean they have cut short the AD missiles at the foredeck from the 36 displayed earlier to just 28? :dev2:

What the hell are these guys playing?

As things stand, it is the Tejas which has seen more upgrades & most importantly, unlike the reliance of the JF-17 project on external (from the Pakistani perspective) suppliers, like China and France (which backed out) and they are now looking to Italy, most of the critical avionic systems on the Tejas are designed and developed, locally.

I would like to differ. Only An inservice or an operational aircraft can be “upgraded” not an aircraft that is in development. An aircraft under development is always “under development”. Hope you got the what I am trying to convey.

Few years earlier there was Ka-52 models being displayed with 16 x AntiTank missiles (rather than the 12 on the inservice variant), what happeded to that plan? When I saw that model, I really thought that it might be the definite variant that might enter the service by “equalling” itself with that of the Mi-28s own 16x anti-tank capablity. Any info?