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I do not know what the source is for those FAA serial numbers, should be
148 should be PX950
149 do PX948
151 do PX941
152 do PX929
153 do PX929
154 do PX915
155 do PR237
156 do PX936
Tony K
Mark 12,
Three of the Spitfires ended their service in the overall silver/red spinner these were 158,161 and 162. The other three in Green/red spinner,two with the three colour boss and one (160 )with the two colour boss. I think I know the source for dating the picture which is incorrect as in October 1960 only two were airworthy 161 and 163. 161 the camera ship was silver overall at the time of the picture I know it looks Sh***y, but silver it was. The red spinner (there were only two colours used Green or red) was introduced during service beginning in late 1951 and early 1952 and applied as the aircraft went for inspections.This was in line with the Seafire red spinners who for a short period had actually adopted red (A Flt) Blue (B Flt) and yellow (CFlt.) The date of the introduction of the three colour boss began with a Chipmunk in June 1956 and folowed by the arrival of the three Vampires in July already painted at DeHavillands. Then introduced progressivly as aircraft came in for serviceing.
The Spitfire TrVIII G AIDN (type 499 !!!!!)was demonstrated to the Air Corps in Jan 1950 and flown by W/Comm Boyd with passenger Mr Morgan (no first names mentioned) was this by any choice Eric Morgan?
HTH
Tony K
The Beech 18 was at Baldonnel on 10-9-04 and looking splendid
Tony K.
Irish Hawker Hector/Hind
Hi Alex,
I believe that it was two Hectors recovered. One in very bad condition, the other is believed to be the fuselage of K8130 Irish Air Corps serial 88. I understand that work progresses at a slow rate at an undisclosed location. 88 was damaged landing on 3 September 1942 at Rathduff Co. Tipperary and after temporary repairs on site it was flown back to Baldonnel on 11 September and then WFU.
HTH regards,
Tony Kearns
Geoff,
you are welcome.It took some time to purchase spares for P5178 to make it usable.It was taken on charge by the Air Corps in March 1942! and spent most of its service with the Advance Training Section of the Schools. It’s last flight was in August 1946.
Regards,
Tony K
Hurricane impounded!!!
Von Perthes,
Hurricane P5178 flown by P/O Paul Mayhew 79Sqn. was not impounded but purchased by the Irish Government and became serial no. 93 in the Irish Air Corps. Mayhew was interned but later escaped. Goorge Peters is buried at Rathnew Co. Wicklow. The sea gave up his body on the Wicklow coast. He was buried with full military honours. The third pilot that day was Nelson-Edwards—-the famous. He was picked up by a passing vessel.
Tony Kearns
Spitfire Vb BM533 EB-W 41 Sqn
Would any one by any chance have a photo of this Spitfire. It force landed in Ireland 31 Oct. 1942
Tony Kearns
Spitfire Vb BM533 EB-W 41 Sqn
Irish Chipmunks
Irish Air Corps used Chipmunks too.
Tony Kearns.
Seafire RXi68
Is there any information as to how much of the original Irish Air Corps Seafire exists ? It was at a Technical College in Dublin prior to going to the UK. On each number of occasions when I visited the College it seemed to be cut up more and more and parts destroyed. There were no wings. Is it a question of building a Seafire around the manufacturers plate?
Regards to all
Tony K
Neutral Countries at War
Hi Dave Homewood,
I was checking my records and find two of your fellow New Zealanders landed in Neutral Ireland. Sub Lt. Bruce N Girdleston force landed his Martlet in Donegal on 21 Dec. 1941 and was interned. Sub Lt. Gerald Wills Worner force landed in the same county in a Hellcat on 24 June 1945 he was handed back over the border and was uninjured. I wonder are they still with us? On a different note, thanks Spit for your posting.
Tony K
Neutral Countries at War
Hi Eric,
Your mention of the ASI hit the memory button,great to hear from you I do remember you and hope that you are doing very well in UK. Best wishes
Tony K
Neutral Countries at War
Hi Spit, I have to disagree with you” a very good book”. In the appendix of 7 pages there are at least 85 errors of varying degrees from major to minor. The author claims that” 220 belligerent aircraft of all descriptions both Allied and German came down in Eire” The Irish Dept. of Defence, The Irish Air Corps and Irish Military Archives list 165, I can account for 168, so where are these mysterious aircraft? There are misidentifications of aircraft and types, there does not seem to be an understanding of squadrons e.g RAAF is identified as Royal Auxiliary Air Force for someone who claims to be a “military and aviation historian” should know that the Royal was not granted to the Auxiliary Squadrons until after the war. There is a full description a force landing in Donegal which did not occur and names a crew member as being the pilot when in fact he was a bombadier in a B17 which landed about 60 miles away. Spit this is not a criticism of you.
Tony K
Neutral Countries at War
Eric Mc, as this is a historical forum and in an unpolitical context I would like to mention to Eric Mc a fellow Dubliner that the name of the country is Ireland (Eire in the native tongue). Under the 1937 Constitution it was changed from the Irish Free State. You are of course quite correct that there is no memorial but all are honoured each year as Irishmen and Irishwomen who died in all wars.
Allan 125 Mentions the fact that German dead from all over Ireland were reinterred in Glencree 12 miles South of Dublin. I often wonder why the UK authorities did not do the same for its dead. Many lie in lonely and isolated graves. I have visited many, usually after trudging many miles over narrow tracks having left my car. How difficult it must be for elderly relatives to visit the last resting places. On the other hand the Germans come to Glencree every year to honour their dead in a dedicated location.
Tony K
Taj,
May I say that what I have documented would show that the Allies and German internees were treated equally by the Irish military. The Allied group did receive a lot of hospitality from some of the locals who would have been of Anglo Irish stock and ex services. A number of Germans were allowed to attend university in Dublin, a privilege I believe not taken up by the Allied group. The late Group Captain Hugh Verity did request permission to attend but for the reason to plan an escape. I appreciate that you did not say that aircraft were interned. I merely mentioned it as a point of information. Aircraft not returned were not pressed into Air Corps service but were purchased in the normal way, following long and protracted negotiations. The Ju88G night fighter which landed at Gormanston became the property of the Allies. Capt Eric Brown RN who flew it back to Britain stated that they already were aware of the equipment and radar from other Ju88 night fighters.
Tony K