Brigands in Malaya
Hi all..
Just coming thru this thread and found out that RH755 was mentioned. We have several Brigand crash reports told by ex-Brigand member of Terry Stringer which i believed still lived healthy but could not be in touch with him. Perhaps someone could or knows who to contact him or his son Mark Stringer.
I believed he do still keep record of other 3 Brigand which crashed and lost in Malaya. One piloted by P/Off Harben which crashed at Mount Gerah in Kelantan where he and his crews were not found ( still in the wreckage ) and another Brigand VS838 piloted by Sgt Sid Hayler and his crew was crashed near Cameron Highland. Sid was successfully bailed out from the plane but found dead on the ground by soldiers who managed to reach him after a few days. He was buried at Cheras Military Grave at Kuala Lumpur.
I do hope that someone could give me some info or records to show if we could visit this 2 sites to found the wreckages and the missing crews.
Talked to local who lived nearby especially at Harben sites, they mentioned about a plane wreck which took several days to reach it.
Brigand lost at Kelantan
* 2238195 Flying Officer N.B. Harben (MIA)
* 578681 Sig. III C. Lloyd (MIA)
* 578704 Nav. III T.W. Smith (MIA)
Brigand lost at Cameron Highland
* 579267 Sergeant S.V. Hayler +
* 579330 Sergeant K. Hall (MIA)
* 309204 Sergeant G.A. Robinson (MIA)
+ Sgt S.V Hayler was found and buried.
Welcome any comments and suggestion
Thank you
Shaharom Ahmad
Malaya Historical Group Researcher
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AHB Replies
Owh well. It go another round again like what we have with KL654/R.
Get an answer from AHB with the help of Joe Bamford.
“Both JCCC and ourselves are aware that the crash site of Dakota KN633 has been located. The crew of the aircraft were buried at the crash site and the grave should not be disturbed by any persons.”
Are they serious? Not to be disturbed? Malaysian jungles were smaller and smaller every year and development were near to the wreck site. If we did not act fast, the graves could be destroyed and gone forever.
Shaharom Ahmad
MHG
Thank you very much..
At Malaysia this time, after the blockage of the emergency lifted out ( most of the jungle still black areas till Communist Surrender in 1989 ), many people suddenly entering the jungles that were off limit to them before and most of the hidden wreckage that crashed during ww2 and the emergency were found. Yet, stories coming in how they found human remains in the wreckage where the plane still list as missing or buried near the wreckage and forgotten by RAF but not to the families.
Like Dakota KN633, the area of the plane crashed were unforgiving, deep slope ravine, thick jungle and communist threat which made the rescue attempt were hazardous to the people and military who involved with the recovery. The quick way is to buried them in the jungle and will come back in future to retrieved them back. It is not happen like they planned. The graves were forgotten, the people who involved were no longer in service and the records were simply stashed away quietly in a dark room.
Stories still coming in to us and when we check the database, the crews of KN633 still listed at Terendak Memorial as no known grave. Flt/Lt Ballard record showed that he was buried near the wreckage. For us, KN633 case is a continuity of other RAF losses in Malaya at that time. A few planes still missing till now and people were often traveled far deep in jungle searching for wreckage as their source of income..
Keep in touch
Shaharom Ahmad
MHG
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Proof that the remains were buried near the wreckage.
Thank you. It seems the logical of the search were same as what we did before with KL654. The main problem that i did not have records of the crews home town which all these records were kept by AHB and RAF. It is good to published it on local newspaper but i’m stayed and lived far from England where I lived at Malaysia where the plane crashed. I already sent another email to Sue Raftree from JCCC and hope she would reply.
Shaharom
MHG.
Yes, based from our previous project, a tedious work to convince people at MoD and JCCC to assist us. Their main reason is short of budget and men to do the work. It is up to volunteer parties to do it for them and when all finished, MoD and JCCC can take the credit in the media. Based on our work, none came out from MoD or JCCC to ever thank us for what we did. Not a single note or email. But this would not stop us. More missing men need to be recovered and they are waiting and waiting in the jungle. Time and limited budget were the main factor for us.
The main agenda is to get contact with NOKs and establishing agreement for us to get in. It would take a few months or a few years but at least something are moving..
Another discovery that the missing Spitfire TP231 was found not far from the KN633 wreckage. Sad part that the locals were removed the wreckage and sell for money. The area of the crashed was turned into orchids farm but i believe most of the part including engine, human remain still buried deep in the ground.
Those men who killed ( Spitfire TP231 and Dakota KN633 ) have families. They still waiting for the news to come up for their loves one. And AHB, JCCC and RAF have the records together with the families addresses all in one. We need to break an ice just to give a wide news to the families which i believed were told by RAF or MoD falsely about their missing men. It happen to Dakota KN630 families. A photo contained a fake graves near the wreckage where funeral ceremonies took place were sent to the relatives. The truth that the crews were buried hasty in one shallow grave!.
Shaharom Ahmad
MHG
Thank you all.
Andy, could you share with me your story of kl654?
Like KN633, there have been a few cases that RAF planes went missing during ww2 and the Emergency. And we do get a few experince with MoD, JCCC regarding our previous project like Dakota KN630 and Liberator KL654. In fact I took almost 16 years fighting with thr families to get MoD and JCCC to accept thr wreckage that we found was KL654.
I believe those missing crew and their planes will discovered soon and we do hope that the authority like MoD and JCCC would more helpful than what they have done before. Spoken to Matt Poole before and he should agree with me based from his unfinished case involving RAF Liberator.
Back to KN633, a few stories came from locals that they found human remains during the removal of the parts for scrap and i think they should deserve better in a proper military burial rather than push aside and forgotten. I could not fight alone on this but i’m sure with the help from you all and the families, it could stir up something to MoD.
Keep in touch.
Shaharom Ahmad
MHG.
Hi all especially bulloved and Mark.
I need more information about Sid Hayler plane and his still missing buddy and also flt.off Harben before committing myself to the jungle searching for them. Time is vital due to scrapping activities. Lots of information need to be collected before the expedition. Still several raf planed still missing in the jungle and my troublesome with raf and jccc when dealing with remains and funeral. We already successfully recovered the remains of dakota kn630 and liberator kl654. Please contact me at [email]malayahg@gmail.com[/email]..
Shaharom
MHG.
Ki-51
The attached pics were taken in 2001 in a small Kampong (village) in Sabah. The aircraft is Japanese and believed to be a Ki-51. At that time there were plans for the RMAF to remove the wreck to their museum in Peninsular Malaysia
Dear snappy.
What happen to this wreckage? Anyone recovered it? or it is just ended with scrap dealers and hunters…
Yes….have lots of those Commandos books..My brother in-law have tons of these in his store room. He bought it in late 60s and still buying it till now. In Malaysia, some of the bookstores still sell it. I think they reprint back the comics..
Still remembered the dialogs…”Mein Gott” “Himmel”..