We have it happen all the time. The main reason people steal them is because they are usually private pilots and want them for when they travel over water themselves. Infact, someone was arrested last week in Exeter for stealing one.
Lynda
Thank you for the updates, they are much appreciated.
To be honest it’s still the same Lance, (espeically the other way around). I flew out in Greece for over a year off and on and we had to be very, VERY careful of Turkish airspace when taking off from said islands. It was stated that if we infringed the airspace we would have Turkish Airforce Jets along side us within minutes 😉
Ahem, we’re digressing somewhat 😀
Oh I don’t know, every Greek Island still has a military airfield on it. Also the islanders of Mytilini (Lesbos), Chios & Lemnos are required to possess a firearm incase of a Turkish invasion 😉
PeeDee
No dispatcher will tell the commander how much fuel he needs – period. The one saving grace about a dispatcher is that “generally” they’ll know how to do a manual load sheet, which has saved our arses a few times 😀
Mpacha
What do you mean airports take fuel from bowsers? Also airlines having de-fuel bowsers is slightly different to the refuellers de-fuelling the aeroplane. Smaller operators probably do reuse fuel de-fuelled, purely down to costs, and you even said it yourself, for light aircraft. We’re talking about an Airbus 319 here.
Dispatchers will keep one eye on the weather, but it’s still pretty irrelevant to their operation apart from “oh look, we cannot dispatch this a/c because the wx is below minima”. This would be a very, very rare occasion, and certainly wouldn’t warrant a dispatcher deciphering how much fuel a particular aircraft should take. (which is what the discussion was about)
True Andy, very true 😉
Andy
I am saying I don’t know where they got the 10t figure from, because the passengers and baggage figure that they would use to offload what they stated comes in at about 4.2t. Something doesn’t add up.
I don’t by the “They were the first to fly in the Ash Cloud” line for a couple of reasons, firstly, the trip between PLH & NQY is 15 mins at the most and is transited at 4,000ft. Secondly All Class A airspace was closed, but ASW allows flying outside controlled airspace. This meant they could conduct their flights below the ash cloud. A meagre trip between PLH & NQY proved nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Unfortunately Eastern bought a business that lost £3.9m last year. For an airline with just 5 airframes this is absolutely massive. It was in trouble way before Flybe jumped on the NQY-LGW route, but yes, it was probably the final nail in the coffin.
wesley
You are right, because the figures don’t add up. They offloaded 37 passengers. Using standard passenger weights that airlines use, even if they were all males this would only equate to 3.25 tonnes. factor in a couple of bags each at standard weights and you are looking in total about 4.36 tonnes. Quite where they got 10 tonnes from is anyone’s guess. It is the media afterall. Mustn’t let the truth get in the way of a good story :rolleyes:
…….not really, they really wanted it to work, I drove D.G. onto the airfield when the first (painted) ASW D8 landed at PCA. Never seen a prouder man.
Of course they did – short term. SHH has shown it’s hand during the recession and ash cloud crisis that it isn’t really interested in it’s aviation sector. PLH is worth far more to them for Real Estate than any airline business venture could return.
Correct
But it has been loss making for quite some time for ASW. Then not helped by the fact that we jumped on the route to keep open our Gatwick slots. Survival of the fittest I’m afraid.
I do hope though that ASW will be ok. I have some good mates there. I do not, and would never relish in the news that people lose their jobs. I has happened to me in the past and could very well happen again in the future.
My 2 pennith to elaborate
(with the possible exception of back on the same aircraft assuming the vessel it was off loaded to was deemed ok)
That Fuel cannot go any where but waste as it is classed as contaminated it cannot go onto another aircraft or be returned to storage.
the tanker would also be classed as contaminated so even once it had offloaded it could not be used for another task (except waste fuel) until it was re-verified
I thought that’s what I said in a nutshell.
Moggy – Well yes you have a point 😉
Because the trucks belong to the fuel companies, not the airlines. If the fuel is on the aircraft it belongs to the airline. Why would any fuel company allow their trucks to be used as a holding tank for someone else’s fuel?
Who the hell is Bob Plant?
Who the hell is Bob Plant?