To be honest Dave that’s like saying – “phew, if I’d crossed the railway line when that train was coming I would have been dead”.
It was a non event and happens all the time. Going into large airports the approach controllers will sequence the aircraft in pretty tight, normally dependant on whether the same runway is being used for takeoff (i.e. Gatwick) will depend on the amount of separation, if you have departing traffic too they’ll normally space the aircraft out a bit more. If the runway is being used solely for landing then the wake turbulence separation minima can be as low as 3 miles, if this is the case then it requires the aircraft that has landed to expedite the runway exit. This can be done with the advent of R.E.Ts, or Rapid Exit Taxiways. If the wake turbulence separation minima being applied is the minimum, ATC will normally tell the preceding aircraft to “expect late landing clearance”. In your case, all that has happened is that the landed aircraft has not exited as fast as he should, and ATC told your aircraft to “Go Around”.
Very common at large airports.
Dean
Even during a recession the travelling public do NOT become cattle (or should I say horse – MO’L horse racing) fodder to be treated the way RyanAir treat them
You probably all know my views on Ryanair and Mr O’Leary, and I do love this website 😀
But to be honest I think you are wrong Jay. The reason is, passengers cannot have it both ways. £1 travel on a £40m airliner is not sustainable, not in it’s entirety. The problem is passengers want cheap tickets, and they want to be treated correctly. The 2 just cannot happen. You absolutely get what you pay for. If you want a cheap ticket, fly Ryanair, but if you want protection should it all go wrong then fly with someone else
Hi Dave
Welcome to the forums. Great to have new members. Enjoy your stay 🙂
Hi Dave
Welcome to the forums. Great to have new members. Enjoy your stay 🙂
That’s like asking what the Queen will get for Christmas. I have no idea.
Thanks Dean. Those are possibly the best of the photos I have ?? but there are more ??? Looking at photo 2 your MLG position with reference to the PAPSI ? (vasi) in my day ? looks pretty spot on ? most of my comments are ‘tounge in cheek’ having watched a lot of landings by your team ! you all seem to handle the beast very well ??
Keith.
Keith
Can I send you my email address for you to email some of the others you have? I think I have a 10mb limit, I’m not interested in 20 more or anything, just a few will do if that’s ok?
Keith VASIs still exist, this is Visual Approach Slope Indicator. They normally involve 2 lights instead of the 4 belonging to the PAPI, or Precision Approach Path Indicator, and are normally found on runways without an instrument approach associated with it.
As for crew handling, remember we get alot of practice, in the last year alone I think I’ve done more than 250 take offs & landings, this is compared to a long haul pilot of doing 12 per year (if he’s lucky)
EGPH – I guess it all boils down to cost at the end of the day, you can get some cheap BE tickets but it’s all about timing when booking. Will be good to have you on board if you do decide to use us.
Jay – At the point of rotate is where you normally see the vortices, or coming in to land. This is where “lift” is at it’s highest, especially as we pull back to rotate because we increase the angle of attack the most thus creating the greatest pressure differential.
Kabir & Bristol_Rob – Cheers, we do our best, the thing with the Q400 is it can really bite you if you mis-handle it, those 4.11m diameter props are nasty things if things go wrong, also because of them we have to be careful when coming in to land as well that the power is handled correctly. Mis-handled at Flap 15 can cause a tail strike, and at Flap 35 a nose-in landing.
I always try and wave at the photographers and the by-standers in car parks etc.
Anyway I am sick of the sight of a Dash 8 this week, I am off to enjoy a well earned day off.
Laters.
Haha if only Newforest.
Great pics Keith, the approach was made using Flap 35, this means a negative nose attitude for the approach of between 2° & 3°
A couple of passengers commented on the great landing, I told them not to get too excited, it was a fluke and doesn’t happen very often so make the most of it 😀
Unfortunately Keith that’s just the ground handlers on the apron, I think it was my turn to make the tea for the crew 😀
I waved as I saw a photographer on the side, I didn’t see you though Keith
Loving the prop vortices, a view we never get to see from the flightdeck.
In the last one we’re maintaining a runway heading track, but the wind was moderate from the north meaning a heading into wind after take off.
Keith are these the only ones you took? Thanks again, I’ll be there again on Tuesday about 12:50 if you’re around 😉
Dean
Well one thing is for sure, he certainly has the aileron into wind for the whole takeoff run, however, just at rotate it does appear he/she centralises the control input. What does the AOM say about aileron displacement at the point of rotate? Also when you say “Current Boeing FCTM” are you saying there is a generic manual? Or is this FCTM type specific?
Pacific Flyer
Are you talking from experience here? Or is this an uninformed guess?
Deano, is the crosswind component dialed into the computer and the spoiler/aileron on that wing raised automatically to compensate?
Baz
Baz
No mate, no automatic deployment of roll spoiler etc. No wind is ever constant, so it’s aileron into wind as required.
Rgds
Dean
No Keith, Sunday at 13:55 local, not Z. We maybe 10 mins early, I’d hate for you to miss it 😀
There is only one study you need to know about the Q400, and that is there is no technique to land the thing softly. If pilots tell you any different they’re either lying, or they fluked it 😀
The Q400 in your pic there; G-JECH was from Edinburgh 😉
Not me mate, I was there in:
G-ECOM on the 4th
G-JECP on the 9th
G-JEDO on the 14th
On Sunday it is scheduled to be G-ECOM again, subject to change of course ;o)
No worries.
I was there 3 times last week, where were you? You have a 4th chance this coming Sunday, arrival about 13:55 local 😉
Keith
Great shots, love the first Condor 763
The EMB195 was flown in as we had a tech Q400 in Exeter for two days.
Rgds
Dean