Enjoy your beer mate, no worries.
As for technical discussions on this, I can get all “technical” about an aircraft, but I am no Mobile Phone Technician, I haven’t the faintest idea what makes them tick 😉
Very touchy individual tonight aren’t you Paul, that comment was a sweeping statement aimed at everyone who does not, for whatever reason, turn off their mobile phones, hence the comment “turn off your mobiles“
So then lets accommodate the worst case scenario, and the worse case scenario is that they are dangerous and hazardous to flight, so until there is conclusive evidence to prove otherwise then why are we even discussing it? It’s not rocket science, turn off your mobiles when instructed to do so. This is becoming the “MMR” discussion of the airline industry :rolleyes:
I think you’re maybe confusing what I said, Dean. I very clearly said I understand the noise they induce on the headsets can be annoying (Ryanair don’t allow phones to be used on takeoff and landing which makes perfect sense) but that’s not the main point of what I’m saying. The main point is that if Ryanair install mobile phone equipment on their aircraft (which presumably is approved by the CAA and whoever else these things need to be approved by), then that fairly conclusively says to me that there are no serious worries about mobile phones screwing with aircraft systems too much. If it poses such a real threat then I’d love to hear an explanation as to why Ryanair allow it and why authorities have approved it.
I am not confused by what you said, the noise mobiles makes through sound devices is a good enough reason alone to have the damn things switched off in flight. I know you said that you knew they did this in a previous post.
I didn’t really think about this when I replied last night but I’ve been on a few of the flights where Ryanair allow phones to be used in flight, so you have maybe 40-50 (if not more) mobile phones on at the same time and they’re transmitting intermittently all the time they’re turned on whether you’re on a call or not. Surely this reasonably conclusive proof that mobile phones really don’t have that much of an effect?
Paul
I see no reference here, or in the first quoted post by you that refutes what I said. Ryanair may well have installed “mobile phone equipment” into their aircraft, I am so happy for the harp playing devil. But this may well have answered your own question as to why Ryanair allow it in the first place. Afterall, by your very words they have “installed” something that allows the use of mobiles, this is totally different to saying that Ryanair allow the use of mobiles at random on planes which hasn’t got the said “mobile phone equipment” installed.
You are demanding evidence to back up the fact that mobiles are unsafe, well I am demanding conclusive evidence which says they are safe, and safe “across the board”.
I wouldn’t say that was conclusive proof at all. If you can get a mobile phone signal (good enough and steady enough to make calls) above 3,000ft then I’d like to know about it.
Now if, and only if, you get a signal above a certain height then the following questions need to be answered in respect to interference with nav equipment.
How many phones switched on will have an effect?
How many phones need to actually be transmitting/receiving (actually making a call) to have an effect?
Would different models of phones have an adverse effect with the 2 questions above?
Taking those questions into consideration which aircraft type would be most affected?
Taking those questions into consideration which instrumentation manufacturer would be most affected?
Taking those questions into consideration would older type aircraft be more susceptible?
How long will it be before the right combination of the above is found before there is an “incident” ?
Sorry, there’s too many variables to say your flight was conclusive proof Paul. Besides, it’s bloody annoying for those at the pointy end when passengers have left on their devices and it comes through the headsets on descent, normally at a critical stage of flight like just joining the ILS.
I have left my mobile on in the flightdeck by accident before (many times) with no repercussions, a single mobile phone probably will have no effect, but if everyone had them on then that would be a different matter I suspect.
The bottom line is, you are asked to switch them off, whether you believe the “myth” or not is irrelevant. If you’re asked to switch them off, then switch them off.
By keeping your mobile and GPS on you are in contravention of the Air Navigation Order. Why do you not just do as you are told and switch them off? Is that too much to ask? You won’t get a mobile signal up high anyway so there is absolutely no need to have your phone switched on.
And yes, they can, and will interfere with internal navigation systems.
yes indeed 27vet 😉
A costly set of go-arounds as you state, those winds are a standard day out from some of the airfields we fly into 😀
Likewise
Not sure what the big issue is either, you sure it was the strong winds etc that caused the go-around? The worst METAR yesterday for MAN was the wind at 290/19G30, and this was the worst conditions over a 1½hr period, hardly life threatening conditions 😉
gulfkiller
This seems like such a random question, you can get a license, you can get an NPPL or PPL.
What we would like as forumites are more specific details of what you would like to achieve, that way we can actively converse over the topic in hand.
Rgds
Dean
Whilst I am at it, how can passengers down the back decipher the difference in take off power and climb rates when there are too many variables to ascertain? How would they even know whether you are climbing quickly or not? Your question holds no water.
Tommy
For goodness sake, can all your aircraft type posts not be posted in one thread? Don’t make me merge them all by starting another one.
Edit one of your recent ones please and change the title. You have been told copious amounts of times over this
Seahunt you’ll have to be more specific, which flightsim is this? And is it a payware addon?
Have you a last name ATR? PM if necessary.
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To be honest oafkad your theory is slightly flawed, what about when people discuss impending film releases? Or music releases? Is this classed as advertising? I guess it could be. One thing as moderators that we get used to is the “backhand” way developers or commercial outfits use these boards for free advertising, so make no mistake, we can sniff them out because we see it all the time. One thing we look out for is someone who has just joined the forum (like yourself), so any URLs or links etc will be closely scrutinised 😉
End of the day as long as there is no contravention of the Forum Code Of Conduct set out by Key Publishing (which can be found at the top of each forum) then there “generally” is no issue.
Thanks for asking the question anyway, discuss away 😉
Rgds
Dean