So, even if Michelle Pfiffereereffer slithered onto me in that Cat suit, I wouldn’t risk the present Mrs Old shape for a 4 hour session.

If she was anthing near as perfect as you are portraying she’d understand your need for a 4hr sesh with Ms Pfiffer 😀

WD is spot on.

Fatigue is a nasty beast and can creep up on you without you knowing it. I’ve been fatigued once and I don’t want to go there again. If you manage 100 flight hrs in a month you have worked seriously hard trust me.

I have just come in from work, I accumulated 5½hrs flight time tonight for 8½hrs duty time, this includes 4 sectors flying of reasonable length.

Other typical days include

8hrs Duty – 4hrs Flying – 4 sectors
10hrs Duty – 5½hrs flying – 5 sectors
8hrs Duty – 3¾hrs flying – 4 sectors
7¾hrs Duty – 4¼hrs flying – 4 sectors

We’re all (In the UK at least) governed by CAP 371 (or it’s equivalent), basically stating no more than 55hrs duty in a rolling week, 95hrs in a rolling fortnight. Minimum rest of 12hrs between each duty etc, 900 flight hrs per annum.
Also the amount of duty time you can do in a day is governed by your start time and how many sectors you are doing. Some routes pick up delays and can push this to the limit very easily. You are then on minimum rest for your next duty the following day.

This girl is fantastic, she’s only singing covers here but she is superb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBg781Id1Kw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6p7ul6RCOc&feature=related

They aren’t “negated” by slimmer people. Each person is an additional load. Some are more of a load than others. A thin person is a thin person, not weight shaved off a fat person. A thin person does not make a fat person lighter.

Really? Thanks for the enlightenment, I didn’t know that :rolleyes:

I think you’re missing the point, indirectly it does make a difference, because if you meaned out the 2 weights of a fat & thin person then you will in effect have made the fat person lighter and the thin person heavier.
The fact that you have “extra people” on board hence them being an “extra load” is irrelevant, so the mean weight of your passengers is irrelevant until you reach your MAUW or MTOW.
You are also reading into this thing waaay too much. The std weights we use are

Male 90kg
Female 72kg
Child (2yrs-12yrs) 35kg
Domestic Bags 11kg
Intl Bags 13kg

If a significant number of passengers or checked baggage is expected to exceed the std masses then actual mass must be used or an adequate increment added to the std masses.

I have never ever known this to happen, ever.

You could argue against excess baggage charges on the grounds that for every person with heavy bags, there’s someone not using their full allowance. It’s just as logical.

It isn’t logical at all because the standard mass we use for baggage is based on an average for the maximum allowable weight (20kgs?) and the fact that there will be lighter bags as well.
So based on this if you were to turn up with excess baggage you should quite rightly pay more for the privilege.

For the first time, I like one of O’Learys ideas.

I cannot believe that any sane human being would think that discriminating against overweight people is a good idea, what next? Limit travel to ethnic majorities? It’s the same principle. Shame on you.

(although if he has any sense at all he will totally ignore everything I say!)

Yes because let’s face it, they are 2nd rate 😉

Only joking of course, great set there. Love the Thomas Cook 320.

Kev

What a fantastic site that is. If I had the time I’d get more involved. My grandfather’s brother died just after the Burmese War, he was shot, would love to know more etc.

Dean

You called him a clown though. Perhaps a better choice of words next time.

Er so what?, that’s my opinion and I’m entitled to voice it so long as it isn’t libellous, but it wasn’t MOL who wrote the quote on the website though, so I was not refering to him. What I think of him is unpublishable.

Do you work for RyanAir by any chance?

The same way a few extra kilos of baggage get penalised? Perhaps we should all take as much luggage as possible as no doubt there will be someone with no luggage.

Um no, because if you “all” took as much as possible then surely by your very statement there’d be nobody left to have that “someone” with no luggage?
Do you know anything about the standard weights we use in the airline industry for baggage and passengers?

Airline seats are not sold down the right hand side first and then the left due to weight/balance issues. It is better for the aircraft’s perfromance that things are balanced as any extra weight or lack of balance about the c.o.g. has a negative effect.

What are you talking about by saying right & left side? The last part of this quote shows your ignorance for the facts. Do you know anything about weight & balance? Do you know whether a fore or aft C of G is good or bad for aircraft performance, did you know that a perfectly central C of G is not the best position for it to be in? Did you know that either a fore or aft C of G is actually better for a/c performance? But which one? fore? or aft? I’ll let you tell me considering you know the facts.

By the way, should airlines now start charging less for slimmer people? Maybe slim people should be charged ½ a ticket for taking up less space & weight :rolleyes:

“These charges, if introduced might also act as an incentive to some of our very large passengers to lose a little weight and hopefully feel a little lighter and healthier.

HAHAHAHA, no it won’t it’ll encourage them to fly with someone else

What a clown this chap is