my god, they are goming to take me back 😮 😮

you didn’t see me, In case they migth ask…. :rolleyes:

…There aint no cure for the summertime blues 😉

Yep the test and accident took place onboard Admiral Gorhskov (project 1143.4)

There should be photos of the crash around internet but i didn’t find any… :confused:

Because Arabs, and Muslims in general, are evil to the maxwhile the Israelis are angels.

not angels, just the chosen ones 😉

Why are people having such a hard time with the fact that these terrorists won’t stop until Israel is destroyed.

Why are people having such a hard time with the fact that these terrorist attacks wont stop until Israel ends its occupation…

I do think Israel is doing the right thing, and they’ve got to get rid of as many Hezbollah and Hamas type people as possible.

So you really think this bombing will decrease the numbers of Hizzbollah and Hamas??

Do you know why these groups have some much support in the local sosietyes? It’s becouse they are (when not busy to lauch rocket attacks) doing the task that Israel should do, providing education, healthcare systems and other basic elements of working sosiety. I’ve said this before and I say it again, what really maters, is wheter you get food on your table or medical services when you are sick. The occupation itself is far minnor issue if the normal living conditions are acseptable. Normal people (those who don’t hang around military forums 😉 ) cares more about the well being of their childrens than wheter this land belongs to you or me…

But when entire people is pushed agaisnt the wall and left with absolutely nothnig, desperation starts rising and desperate man does desperate things…

Building houses and giving food and work instead destroying them an´d building walls and missiles does wonders…

You are right about the ability of the Lebanese government in some way. But did they try hard enough before?! At least not in time as the present situation shows.
The two-thousand UNIFIL soldiers are limited to observations duties only. They are not allowed to prevent Hezbollah fighters from entering the border-zone or firing something right now. By UN pressure some regular Lebanese forces were send by Lebanon too, but those did not interverne, when informed by UNIFIL before.
Just that moment the UN is trying to widen its task and bolster UNIFIL forces.
(Annans speech) But it is still in need of Lebanese consent and help to do so. The UN can support the Lebanon, but the Lebanon has to show the will to act accordingly and start the disarming with UN-support. Not doing so the problem is just postphoned to the next incident!
There are European observers in Gaza, but those are ignored by both sides.
The Kassams did not stop.
None can help the parties envolved, when those do not show the will to act to the rules set by the supporters! May it be the UN or the EU!

Well I ment that UN can do alot if it has the will…apparently at the moment it doesen’t as the biggest influencer, USA keeps stalling the decision making.
But even if UN or EU (ok perhaps not EU :p ) should step in, it cannot be done while Israel is bombing the area, in fact it should have been done before all this but past is past and there is no ways to change it.

When it comes to Hezbollah, the answer is no. For Hamas it is, it depends. But we keep in mind, that there are many other forms of resistance before violance starts. When someone allows violance, he has to bear the related hardships from that. In my eyes no good advice for Hamas, because the most hardship have the non-combatants to bear. I do not believe in regains in paradise!

Thanks…So again we are (or least I am, don’t really remember whom I was agaisnt the last time 😉 ) getting to the only solution for this whole issue…stop violance…someone has to make the first step and apparently Israels are just too arrogant and stubborn to do it…Becouse they are the ones doing the ultimate reason for all this violence, the occupation. To end it, the one doing it needs to step down (and this means real stepping down, not some charity pieces) in this case Israel. Ofcourse you can go and say “but that wont stop the terrorism..” but it’s the only way. Ofcourse there will be some sort of terrorism for awhile (mostly frustration for the fact that there is nothiong more to fight on as your whole life was build around that fight), but it will dry out as there is no reason for majority of palestinians to support the extremist any longer.
Saying it wont work is useless becouse in reality, is the current policy working??

Wrong. You can not claim that one side suffers more than the other. Both sides suffer and that is out of question. To break the cycle of violence you have to name those responsible for that. For the Lebanese people it is the own government at first as it is for the Israeli people theirs.
It was for all Lebanese people to read and to hear month before in the open. Hezbollah gave away that it has 12000 rockets brought into Lebanon and it is able to reach every town in Israel with that nearly! The same group questions the excistense of Israel in total. The same group conducted several border incidences after Israel left Lebanon in 2000. That was all observed by the UN. The UN was aware that the Syrian troops in Lebanon were an obstacle to disarm that dangerous group. Syrian troops had to leave Lebanon therefore, but nothing happened about disarming. The time-bomb was ticking for all to see. The Lebanese government and army showed themselves unwilling or unable to remove that constant threat for the security of Lebanon. When you are not willing to face a looming danger you have to bear the consequences from that. Israel has no intrests in Lebanon except a quit border. I think most Lebanese people think similar about a quit border, but they did and do not show their will in the public to exercise political pressure on Hezbollah and their own government to fullfill that. None can claim he was not aware about the looming danger from Hezbollah for Lebanon before!
I can not see, that Israel is happy to start some sort of disarming Hezbollah at all, which is still the duty of the Lebanese government! It will cost the Israeli people a dear, with questionable results, when not finished by the Lebanese government really!

I didn’t claim that one side suffrers more than other, just asked wheter you were claimimg so…

And what comes for Lebanese ability to trow out hizbollah, I think they would have done it if they were able. These things dosen’t happen in one night, you got to give time and most importantly help…and this however it may seem isen’t helping the situation. Did Israel ever seeked a diplomatic solution? Why isen’t there UN troops disarming the Hizbollah? Why isen’t there UN troops in palestinian areas?

But I fail to get your awnser to my question, so once again…If Israel is justificated to attack on lebanon and kill innocent civilains on the basis that they didn’t do nothing, Is Hizbollah and Hamas justificated to attack towards Israeli civilians on the basis that they support the regime that opress them??