Charlie, that’s what puts me off this, the x-factory and Britain’s not Talented – as well as Graham Norton and similar chat/movie plug shows. It’s the shrieking audience, like four Olympuses at full whack, who seem to get worked up onto a Beatlemania frenzy every few minutes at nothing in particular.
Charlie, that’s what puts me off this, the x-factory and Britain’s not Talented – as well as Graham Norton and similar chat/movie plug shows. It’s the shrieking audience, like four Olympuses at full whack, who seem to get worked up onto a Beatlemania frenzy every few minutes at nothing in particular.
My guess is that the aim with a carrier take- off would be to get as much thrust as possible from the moment the aircraft starts rolling. At max rpm you’d need the blade set at just five degrees for this to happen. The bracket prop could be re-set on the ground so its minimum pitch was this figure, but even with the 30-odd degrees available after the 1940 mods you’d struggle to get even a Spitfire’s economic cruise, let alone max speed, out of the coarsest pitch then available if you do this. With 60 degrees to play with, this would explain why Hydromatics might have been thought of for carrier operation?
I am guessing that yer basic Rotol wouldn’t offer this range.. what was the arrangement with Seafire I’s?
To add a detail often missed, the change from variable-pitch to constant speed was not really a change of actual propeller. It had been realised quickly that the two-position prop mechanism had a ‘balance point’ in between fine and coarse settings where blade angle could be made to change with shaft torque. With the addition of a ‘Constant Speed Unit’ this could be made the basis of blade operation, such that changes in rpm caused by changes in the drag on the prop would be detected and countered by changing blade angle. The important point is that this was using the same prop as before. Bloody clever stuff, to think of this for the first time.
The engineers doing the field mods did also increase the range of pitch available to the blades, in order to make the most of this, but the prop hub mechanism and the blades remained the same.
Hydromatic props were also constant speed, but used an entirely different pitch-change mechanism.
The only major advantage of the Hydromatic over the bracket-type was that it could be fully feathered. This is why it became common on multi-engined aircraft even pre-war (you could get home on the remaining power, as long as you can lose the drag of a windmilling prop), but not on singles. The logic of attaching the heavier Hydro prop to single engined fighters is hard to explain, until you get to four blades where it becomes a production decision – as far as I know there was no attempt at producing a four-blade bracket prop by Hamilton or dH.
Thanks, mate.
Yep, one of those tables has been a bit of a revelation on two counts. One it confirms my suspicion that shaft size is not important… by which I mean there’s no reference to shaft/splines in the code system for DH prop blades (why should there be, when you think about it). There have been many red herrings previously here about that.. and secondly it shows that blade shank size is still indicated after the ’45’ (which just means ‘Hydromatic’) – ref our PM conversation, David C.
It also shows that there is a sort of system about rotation, at least with Hydromatics, which would probably carry over to bracket types after all. 0 or 1 means right-hand, 5 or 6 means left-hand. Does anyone know the reason both numbers were used in each case?
This now only leaves one number available to describe blade design – back to the drawing board?
I have had ‘Thrusting Forward’ (back to shaft sizes again) on order for months now. I must chase that, thanks for reminding me..
PS – on the other thing, I have been a bit cr*p, what with one thing and another – I will call E today!
Rest in Peace, Edgar
For the record, if he meant killing people just because they might be a terrorist is a bad idea, fair enough (as an argument). However, if he meant don’t shoot someone about to kill others, then that is, to me, insane. I suspect he meant the former, however.
For the record, if he meant killing people just because they might be a terrorist is a bad idea, fair enough (as an argument). However, if he meant don’t shoot someone about to kill others, then that is, to me, insane. I suspect he meant the former, however.
Mods, can we stick this in ‘General Discussion’ please? Some of the nonsense here needs refuting, but not here! In other words, can we take this outside?
Best wishes, Edgar!!
This thread is confusing me.
Rosevidney1, why would the Fabian Society dumb anything down – presuming you mean the group established by George Bernard Shaw and H.G. Wells?
Geoff
Not sure I follow.. why does not being able to time travel and instead using available data make that data ‘100% incorrect’?
I think there are some fundamental misunderstandings of the nature of scientific method going on in this discussion.
Geoff
Not sure I follow.. why does not being able to time travel and instead using available data make that data ‘100% incorrect’?
I think there are some fundamental misunderstandings of the nature of scientific method going on in this discussion.
Bracket type, but hard to tell whether it’s 3D40 / DH 4,000 series or 3E50. DH 5,000 or some permutation. The blade length would suggest the former.
Ian, what was the diameter given, please?
It’s not Lysander, that’s the remains of a sizable spinner back-plate behind. So similarly, not Blenheim, or anything radial. Either Spitfire and not measured accurately, or something more interesting.