Any thoughts about what it’s from? If the dims given are accurate it’s too small for a Spitfire. Also, is that the trace of a Hamilton Standard logo? Hmm. Nine foot something Hamilton prop, Sussex coast… Can only be one thing.. Glen Miller’s Norseman :eagerness:;)
The trick is to remember its only matching words – matching with some sophisticated interpretive abilities your search term with the content of web pages – it’s not answering questions. So try to make your search term something like how you’d imagine your answer will read, if that makes sense. The other thing that is often overlooked is the inverted comma trick. Putting ” ” around the search term in Google searches only for that exact phrase. Those who know will call this advice patronising, but I am always surprised how many don’t.
The trick is to remember its only matching words – matching with some sophisticated interpretive abilities your search term with the content of web pages – it’s not answering questions. So try to make your search term something like how you’d imagine your answer will read, if that makes sense. The other thing that is often overlooked is the inverted comma trick. Putting ” ” around the search term in Google searches only for that exact phrase. Those who know will call this advice patronising, but I am always surprised how many don’t.
While we prefer a liar in a suit to an honest man in a jumper to be our leader, while facial hair is of political relevance, regardless of left or right we can expect no better.
While we prefer a liar in a suit to an honest man in a jumper to be our leader, while facial hair is of political relevance, regardless of left or right we can expect no better.
I have convinced myself. Critical Mach at ‘tip’ is in fact at 0.91 radius, after which the profile misbehaves as the thickness tapers towards the rounded tip.
You can see the maximum measured speed converging with the theoretical point at which the props will stop helping you go forward, starting at Full throttle height and agreeing -showing the limiting factor – above 20,000 feet.
This is why squadron pilots were on record as being confused as to how Martlesham got theirs to 31,000ft, when their aircraft stopped being of much use above 26,000.
All of the performance testing was done on prototype L6845, which had Rotols. The squadrons got De Havillands:
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Ah, I see.
The problem, if it’s real, did affect its future. It made it sluggish at height, and this counted very greatly against continuing with production (I have that in writing), and development – and thus being thought a ‘success’. The Spitfire was different – The Spitfire was a proven aircraft with a development ‘roadmap’ attached by the time the disappointing altitude performance of the MkII (a fast aeroplane, otherwise) came to light. By contrast the Whirlwind hadn’t even been delivered to squadron strength at the time, and the programme was eminently ‘haltable’ – and it was.
..doesn’t seem to have affected the Spitfire Mk.II too adversely.
It did a bit – it would have been 5mph faster 500ft higher with the DH blade. This table also handily includes the compressibility factor for each blade, you can see the issue with the Rotol. The one I highlighted was (I think) the production standard. It was the most efficient of the Rotols tested, and as is often the case it was also the one most affected by compressibility. This might be why the MkII was faster lower down, but slower higher up, than the MkI:
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It is actually surprisingly difficult to find a precise date on which the Whirlwind was ‘written off’. Thanks to one of our researchers I am now looking at probably the entire record set held by the National Archives on the Whirlwind. The short version of the timeline is that on 8th May 1940, in response to the concern expressed by George Bullman (the Air Ministry’s Engine ‘Head’) about the effect of continued Peregrine production on Rolls’ output, WR Farrar, the AD to the DTD simply said in a memo ‘No New Whirlwinds’. This is as close to an official decision as I can get.
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However, before, during and after this decision was being made there was a discussion carrying on about the Mark II (AVIA15/317). This would have had Morris radiators, 100-octane-ready Peregrines, greater tankage, revised cannon feed arrangements and Hydromatic props, no mention of blade changes, just the greater pitch range imparted by the Hydromatic mechanism.
No decision was made on this until Dowding wrote to Beaverbrook in October 1940 saying (in response to a direct question) that although it was still to early to say for definite he’d not be unhappy if no further Whirlwinds were produced. I doubt very much that Whirlwinds were anywhere near the front of Dowding’s mind at the time.
Beaverbrook replied with characteristic unilateralism (and in line with Alertken’s post above) that he would therefore not produce any more Whirlwinds. It looks like the axe was ultimately wielded by the Minister for Aircraft Production acting independently and without official sanction (beyond a three-word memo five months earlier), but all official parties were happy to tacitly let it go, meaning they could stop thinking about the Whirlwind and focus on other things.
There was a last comment on the matter made at a meeting in February 1941, more a post-rationalisation of the decision made by Beaverbook for the Ministry three months earlier:
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I would still argue that the propeller tip story is not irrelevant, however. It was a limiting factor on the aircraft before any decisions were made, it didn’t just kick in after the event. Decisions were made upon the usefulness of the aircraft as against its impact on production capabilities. Performance at height, or rather the lack of it, figured very largely on the ‘balance sheet’.
Paddle blades specifically progressively decrease the thickness-to-chord ratio as one travels towards the faster end of the blade, making a more transonic-friendly shape in profile (ie longer and thinner).
Have a rummage around here.. http://aerade.cranfield.ac.uk/ – try ‘tandem propellers’ or ‘dual propellers’ as well as contra-rotating etc. You’ll find the richest seam, in terms of sheer volume of informative and well-explained research, between 1938 and 1948-ish.
I am not claiming a conspiracy as such – it is more an interesting angle, and one that showed where the problem may have been in a purely technical sense.
But it is a fact that compressibility was understood by some at the point in time where the future of the WW was under discussion.. but what went on record was the Peregrines were choking at height. I agree with you, Graham.. the right ‘resources’ – human ones – were not applied, for simple reasons. The decision to move on had already been taken 🙂
According to that diplomat the Blessed Margaret freed Nelson Mandela. Who exactly is mythologising here?
What is instructive is how, in their first meeting, she took it on herself to lecture the great man on how he should stop being so socialist, and tell him the correct (ie non-nationalising) way to run his own country. She really was arrogant.
According to that diplomat the Blessed Margaret freed Nelson Mandela. Who exactly is mythologising here?
What is instructive is how, in their first meeting, she took it on herself to lecture the great man on how he should stop being so socialist, and tell him the correct (ie non-nationalising) way to run his own country. She really was arrogant.
What can I say.. surely if you are a poor pensioner, Tory logic says you should have worked harder and saved, and it’s therefore your fault? Please explain why this suddenly doesn’t apply.
I have no sympathy for old Conservatives who find themselves let down by the post-Thatcher state. In fact I find it funny. Yes, such feelings do run deep, as I suspect they do in certain parts of Nottinghamshire.
What can I say.. surely if you are a poor pensioner, Tory logic says you should have worked harder and saved, and it’s therefore your fault? Please explain why this suddenly doesn’t apply.
I have no sympathy for old Conservatives who find themselves let down by the post-Thatcher state. In fact I find it funny. Yes, such feelings do run deep, as I suspect they do in certain parts of Nottinghamshire.