True, but speculation is speculation, and still is not valuable.
Sorry Hampden, couldn’t let that one go. Are you suggesting Duxford is an unsafe place to fly aeroplanes because it has hangars?
Cup-holder.
At Blackbushe no-one on the ground was injured, as far as I recall?
Also, I think one of the points already raised is that the site of the accident was not on the display axis.
Thank you James for getting that published.
For once I applaud the Torygraph. Never thought I’d say that.
The Sun front page said “Why were vintage planes flying over the A27” like it was crusading.. odd they weren’t concerned about what was underneath these vintage planes: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/6537871/Royal-salute-to-The-Few.html
Interesting, the wording on the Brown quote seems to have been subtly changed. No longer was he ‘forced’, which I am sure I recall as it struck me when I read it.
I doubt that Eric Brown would wish to be cast as a one-man Court of Inquiry. His quoted words were ‘If I was forced to guess’.. which I am sure that he was.
If anyone from the Sun is reading this, I hope you feel as ashamed of yourself as increasingly the British public are becoming ashamed of you.
This is trash.
Pistonrob said he was doing the research for a relative of Margrie’s
Diane, I presume you are the same relative that is referred to in this earlier thread? http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?113085-Anson-MK1-crash-Shropshire
If not, there is someone else in the family looking into this. 🙂
Apologies, I meant the ‘down the pub’ thing as an illustration of how such stories initially arise. I am sure your mother’s source was in good faith and closer to home.
However, no-one here can account for where it came from, ie where your mum heard that all those years ago.
There is a considerable body of knowledge on this forum around such incidents, and you have heard a lot of it already. Although I cannot speak for anyone else all I can personally say as someone who has researched quite a few incidents and casualties over the years is I am not aware of any mechanism whereby the story about burying sand would have come from the RAF.
As someone else has suggested, you can get all the official information about the crash itself from official sources. You might need people on here to interpret the records, but they are available to you, and normally these provide enough information to get a fair idea of the chain of events – especially when interpreted by some of the folk on here who know more than me what they are talking about. In fact, as a relative and in the case of a couple of record types you are more likely to be given access to certain information than anyone else here. As also suggested, if you really want to picture what happened that night then taking a look at an Anson might help you.
We could discuss the morbid details of where sandbags might have had to have been used, but I am sure you would agree it would be distasteful to do so on this public forum. As I say, there is no reason to suppose that this was done in this case.
Hi Diane – if I may just chip in here.
There are many stories of the RAF ‘just burying sandbags’, and I am sure that it happened in some cases. However, all the versions that I have heard have been rumour and hearsay – to be blunt, it is something the know-all at the bar might insensitively say ‘Oh, you know they just bury sandbags, don’t you’, but which over time gets passed on to families as ‘fact’, and an upsetting and possibly even disturbing one at that.
This actually happened with my own grandfather. Family history has it that only his watch and some sandbags were buried, but having investigated the air crash in which he died in some detail there is NO REASON why this should have been the case.
No one can know the truth, but you can take away two things – the RAF would never officially tell relatives if they had in fact buried sand (so this ‘information’ has come from another source), and there is no reason to suppose that this happened in the case of your relative.
C of G is short for Centre of Gravity – I think John (who’s words I completely agree with) meant with the weight all the crew at one end of the plane’s cabin it would be unbalanced – but please don’t be distracted by that, I am sure no-one is suggesting any connection with the incident.
What was the motive for loading a train up with valuables and then hiding it?
You want to move your valuables, fine, load them onto a train. But then you build secret tunnels and park said train in one, leaving the valuables on the train? Why would you wish to do that? There are perfectly good vaults in Switzerland – even if you were worried about the security of Berlin!
Practically a documentary.
Not claiming it’s like leafy Surrey, Charlie 😉