For the record, if anyone has any interest, it looks like the Defiant might have had VDM (Rotol-type) spinners on de Havilland props. Anyone here work on the RAFM example? Also, if you did, I also have a question about tyres..
Would the reported location of the suggested Halifax be a clue?
In the North Sea I’d narrow it down to – realistically – UK and dominions, France and Norway. If it IS a Sunderland – if that’s a Pegasus, and there are four of them, and there’s .303 around, then that is what it is – or a militarised Empire boat. But I appreciate that’s 3 ‘if’s and an ‘or’
Counting the wrong way.. GMT-8 = 05.47, therefore GMT = 13.47, Shirley?
Rabid pedant.
If it’s spinner then the figure 8 things aren’t a clue to Hurricane, as the spinners were made by subcontractors to their own proprietary design with no real reference to the manufacturing techniques of the aircraft manufacturer. Best looking for Rotol or De Havilland sources, or their subcontractors, Joseph Sankey and Constant Speed Airscrews Ltd / VDM
So it’s a Sunderland, then 🙂 Don’t forget the .303 the OP mentioned.
4 Pegasi – Sunderland.. anything else?
Sunderland
Have just amended the confusing bit, where I wrote ‘hubs’ meaning ‘spinners’ – twice!
Mk II and V, 10′ 9″ at most. But later marks, different undercarriage arrangement and different thrust line with a Griffon.. so different calculation. Still, these changes would have to have put the hub centre 3 1/2 inches higher to give any clearance at all, and 10 1/2 to maintain the original clearance. That would result in a funny looking spitfire – almost certainly not a Spitfire prop you have there.
Truculent – rare drawings of VDM spinners as well in that publication. Know of any more like this? Maybe DH?
I was going to say Firefly as well.. silly question but are you sure it’s not a Griffon 74? Firefly IV?
Dropping in..
Article here describing the VDM approach – http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%203291.html
The relationship between the different organisations involved in providing these spinners was very complex, and created by Govt edict. Westland used CSA’s VDM spinners on De Havilland prop hubs for the Whirlwind. CSA were sub-contractors to de Havilland. Both had their own proprietary designs available, CSA’s being the licenced VDM solid type.
There is an interesting exchange in Flight‘s letters column which shows the deteriorating relationship between DH and CSA/VDM – It is also interesting, and possibly related to this spat, that it is hard to find a post-1940 use of a CSA/VDM spinner on a DH prop, though they do appear frequently on Rotol props (MkII Spitfire, for example).
The situation was resolved for DH by taking on Sankey’s (GKN) as an alternative sub-contractor from September 1941 – Sankey’s not having rival designs of their own. Again, this seems to be largely a decision of the Ministry, who also gave them a contract to produce Rotol spinners – as well as the free loan of some plant and machinery, some of which appears to have been ex-CSA –http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=149-db25&cid=5-4-14#5-4-14
In 1942, one of the Sankey family ended up as regional controller for the Ministry of Production while his brother ran the business, continuing to receive contracts from.. the Ministry of Production.
Shortly afterwards CSA were hauled over the coals by the very same Ministry of Production for their “refusal.. to meet Minister’s requirements by way of design and production of spinners for propellers” – http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3447202
It doesn’t really matter whether we know who these people are or not. Or at least it shouldn’t. Should we then be OK with someone we ‘know’ passing other people’s work off as their own on their website? And does it not demonstrate a disagreeable cynicism to use a small volunteer museum’s images rather than a company’s, who might have the resources to sue?
I am sure they are 100% legitimate. They do need to sort out their marketing, though, as they really don’t look it.
EDIT – is it me, or have they pulled their website? http://www.spitfirerestorationgroup.com/ seems to divert to their FaceAche page.
Are we all sure this is the same erudite and straightforward Sopwith.7f1 / Bob that we know from this forum, and not a borrowed identity?
Well, yes. Basic research should be expected of a journalist writing for a national newspaper. It is depressing that we expect it not to have happened. Being 21 is not an excuse for making stuff up – at least not in print, as a reporter, trainee or otherwise.
It must have been a b*gger painting a different flight number on the fuselage each time.