You know what, I’d say green and blue = shadow, red = shadow (of fuselage) plus oil. Dark bit on tail = shadow (rear fuselage)
AndyG, can you extend your comparison to the fuselage as well, to see how it fits with the darker areas on the wing and (crucially, as this has a curve to it that might or might not match the aft fuselage of a B29) tail?
WG – agreed. Still not sure which theory accounts for the apparent variation in shades, but if the shape fits..
So if the two engines and wing shadow are over the fusalage and port wing, where on earth is the the far heavier fusalage shadow?
Um.. over the wing and tail surfaces in question?
the plane above it is too far away to cast such a strong shadow,
Not sure about that… http://www.flickr.com/photos/troutfactory/260379887/in/set-72157594299988646/
And this one is, I suspect, a lot further away!
Maybe a more representative distance… http://www.claytor.com/photographs/images/picNamibDesertPlaneTomClaytor.jpg
And on further inspection there are two darker areas directly behind the engine, if a shadow were being cast it would all be the same level.
Not at all. Look at any shadow. You can still see variations of light/dark inside the umbra, all visible in ambient light (otherwise all shadows would be completely black). And I’m not denying that in this case this is caused by oil and/or soot staining.
This is brightening up a dull morning at work – forgive the pun.
OK, I’m not so sure of my ground on photo manipulation, Moggy. Prepared to step down from the firestep on that one! It may be because of a variation in brightness of the wing as against the fuselage caused the developer to darken the wing area generally relative to the fuselage area – but as I say, not as sure about any of that as I am about the dark areas being shadow cast on a variously-stained, but still highly reflective, surface.
Soot / oil traces.
Look inboard of the nacelle, the leading edge is quite light yet the side of the nacelle is very dark.
If it was a shadow there is no way there would be that light area.
Moggy
I think the light area there is just relatively oil and soot free – like the upper fuselage – but still in shadow – if you look carefully there is still a faint divide between bleached out and non-bleached area of skin, where the shadow falls. On the cowling and behind, it is quite heavy staining accentuated by not being bleached. I suspect the image has already been manipulated by darkening the bleached upper wing area, making the shadow there deeper.
I’d say shadow, and it’s more a case of the aircraft being generally claggy, especially behind the engines, but ‘whited out’ by glare where not in shadow – notice the lack of surface detail generally. I think its seeing the remainder of the shadow on the upper fuselage that convinces me, coupled with the ‘hard’ edge of the dark area (I’ve never seen oil or soot staining like that).
A Google search indicates that this would be the “Northolt Station Flight”, flying three Britten-Norman Islanders, their role being described as electronic intelligence gathering – ’embassy and anti-terrorist surveillance’.
Islanders are ZF573, ZH536 and ZH537.
I expect the guys in dark suits and shades to be waiting for me when I get home!
Sorry about my kneejerk (or maybe just ‘jerk’) reaction earlier – yes, I suppose client confidentiality is a good reason to keep things under wraps 😮
Got to be honest, it’s the whole ‘right people’ and ‘wrong people’ thing that puts others off the historic aviation world. A clique is only a good thing to the minority – the clique. Maybe I’m naive – is there a genuine reason for secrecy – would the interests of the wider historic aviation community be damaged if all of it knew the serials of aircraft under restoration, and if so, how?
A lot of people on here are involved, as I am, in actively working towards restoration, preservation and/or conservation. And yet there’s still an ‘us and them’ thing seemingly happening here, which I’m sure many of us would like explained. I’m not attacking anyone, and please don’t shoot me down when I ask this, I just genuinely (not in a snide way) feel there’s a gap in my understanding.
Fascinating. Google yields little, except that McLaren also helped redesign the Spitfire radiator to help withstand a bullet strike. He is often referred to as a ‘test pilot’ – I wonder who for?
I’m confused, Starfire – I can’t find the additional content anywhere. I must be using the wrong internet again.
I did find this though: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/CngWUrn0QmuY1R4XpU-zWA
EDIT – Oh, I see, one has to do the quiz first.
James Stewart once owned a PBY Catalina N19Q
A quick Googlisation suggests that Stewart’s PBY was written off in an accident off Monte Carlo in 1972. Does anyone have more on this incident, or images of the aircraft?
(At risk of creep, I was also surprised to discover from Wikipedia that Stewart flew uncredited combat missions – on top of the 20 logged – while operating from the UK in 1944)
Thanks blan73, and welcome to the forum! I expect you have a lot more interesting stuff to share – don’t worry about detailed histories, I expect they’ll find an audience here.
So it would appear that there were at least two laminar flow / low drag winged Hurricanes. The one my plans refer to – with wings (plural) specially manufactured by Armstrongs – was flown in 1945, according a reference in the 1946 document I linked to earlier.
It looks like the modifications to the starboard wing blan73 describes were applied to a different aircraft, at a later date.
Sycamore’s photos show the PORT wing, and that wing being of considerably modified – indeed exotic – profile, as per the AW factory plans (dated 1944) that I hold. Coupled with the serial matching that of the two reports cited here, both of which refer to wings (plural) this would suggest that this is the earlier aircraft.