There was no regulation to say you can’t. If you were involved in financial services you could do what the hell you liked. That was indeed dumb. This is close to the source of my politics, which are left – as opposed to Blairite. What is curious is how we read the same thing so oppositely. But surely you have to concede that allowing a financial services market to do what it wanted with no care about long-term effects is a variation on a Right theme rather than anything the Left would do?

It is interesting you don’t wish to see it from a political point of view when it doesn’t suit your argument. I guess it does mean you can see the contradictions.

Never mind that, the Pig and Pizzle sounds promising. Do they do Old Toe-jam Bitter there?

What superb grasp you have on the history of the Middle East. Muslim terror attacks, of course! Forget the Romans, the Ottoman Empire, even the British. It was all about Muslim Terror Attacks.

Where do you think the ‘subsidies’ you claim are paid to EU students go? Along with Mum and Dad’s money – where do you think THAT goes?

As for the leader of the opposition being unemployed.. he has two jobs. Do you have any idea what an MP is? And what do you think Leader of the Opposition means? Have you ever considered that his job is to lead the opposition? No? Do you believe the Prime Minister does any of that list? Have you never heard of the Civil Service?

Christ on a Bike, Ryan, think before you post.

CD – absolutely.

John. Though I do not need to defend my academic record I do enjoy pointing out what an arrogant twit you are when you get it wrong. The University of Liverpool, very definitely not any kind of Polytechnic and never was. I have a B.Sc in Geology from an Earth Sciences faculty rated fourth in the country at the time. Go on, where did you go? Let’s compare, shall we? And I am not a ‘product’ of anything or anywhere, I went there to learn (and go on exotic field trips), not be produced. And it was a long time ago.

Ryan, if you cannot understand the fundamental self-contradiction in your position then I cannot help you beyond this:

You claim “The last Labour government allowed prices to be artificially jacked up by the dumbest mortgages in history (125% mortgages at 7 times annual income)”

You are a Thatcherite capitalist conservative who not only wishes a centre-ground government had stopped financial products from being sold to a willing market through some sort of state intervention into a free market economy but seems to blame the inevitable problems (that this free-market speculative capitalism produced) on the.. left! This latter misapprehension shows quite astonishing levels of confusion, and yet you seem oblivious to this.

I hope this isn’t too difficult for you?

You really are confused. You say ‘market forces are market forces’ and then decry the lack of state intervention when a government ‘allows’ products to be sold to a market.

Please think it through, it’s no fun when it’s this easy.

Taxpayer, government, public.8

Who’s fault is that? Labour’s again.

Who’s fault is what? Your confusion?

You regard public stuff as government owned? Then you have no concept of what public ownership means, just a Trumpy simpleton version of how a state works.

Regular citizens are decreasingly able to buy homes. That’s the whole point! For God’s sake look around you.

I am 47, Ryan. I don’t know how old you are, but if you were paying attention and old enough you would remember the complete about-turn that tore the old Labour party apart around the redrafting of Clause IV.

Mean nothing to you? No, it doesn’t fit with your lecture on something you know next to nothing about. Go back to your graphs.

When the fragmented party coalesced again around its leader Tony Blair it was called New Labour and pandered to a post-Thatcher mushroom generation. It was.. Oh never mind, you won’t go away and look it up, you are too busy with your scatological references to some imagined history.

No, I won’t pipe down. Complain to the mods or the gods if you can’t handle the truth of the situation. Attacking the labour party or those who vote for it – or telling them to be quiet about it – won’t help you to change it.