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  • in reply to: General Discussion #230845
    Beermat
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    This is a train wreck happening before our very eyes. Absolutely every mistake that could have been made has been made.

    Our PM and self-appointed chief negotiator (May) has made herself look stupid and vulnerable while going in fists pumping saying she wants a fight.

    She has not completed negotiations with the 10-MP minority-interest party that could give her any semblance of mandate but who know they can wag the dog for all kinds of unreasonable demands in exchange.

    The honest broker that was the UK Government, one that assembled and maintained a peace deal, will henceforward be siding with one side in a bitter and often bloody conflict.

    Despite that massive failure of diplomacy looming on this front she is now also and simultaneously negotiating with absolutely no cards with – or rather against – the combined diplomatic teams of many European nations.

    At home there is rebellion in the streets and mutterings of a leadership bid. Meanwhile inflation is growing and wages remain flat.

    Boy, have we been made to look stupid. So forgive me for politicising this, I know this is not a failure of Conservatism or Capitalism themselves, just one of thinking-it-through. Nevertheless I just want to say, for the record, that as an in-voting Labour supporter not one of this train of ignorance and arrogance-based errors was in my name. If we feel the bile rising – and I am speaking as a patriot – perhaps now you can see why.

    Hope you feel proud.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230851
    Beermat
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    ..and further to accepting the charge of politicisation, your honour, I call the New Statesman to my defence.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/why-we-must-politicise-tragedy-grenfell-tower

    Of course, no-one need read this, as ministers didn’t read the letters from concerned residents.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230855
    Beermat
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    No, I see the placards. Yes, they were on the march. Not blind.

    OK, I understand what you are saying, of course some people there had political views. They will turn up and wave their placards at the camera, of course they will. And yes, I concede that serves to politicise the protest, by definition, of course it does. So I retract my statement.

    I stand by the point that the situation is inherently political, it has not been hijacked by politicians or political activists as the right wish to claim, it (the resentment, the unrest, the growing interest in the alternatives to conservatism) was already there. It’s just that the cameras are there now, and people are organising protests.

    Hatred is a very strong word, CD. Some of my best friends are tories – that’s actually true, not a throwaway line. I reserve my hatred for the obvious leeches.

    Example. This man, despite having two ‘full-time’ jobs, one of which is supposed to be as a representative of the people in his Ward and the other marketing for a stock exchange (not sure why the NY exchange needs marketing, but there you go) is paid £25,000 a year of our money to ‘manage his wife’s office’. https://democracy.bexley.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=177

    Now, if you feel this is wrong, is that feeling ‘political’, just because he and his wife are tories (yes, it’s that Patel again – interesting that despite being staunchly traditional in such things she doesn’t trade as Priti Sawyer)? No. But they can both be voted out, so if my anger translates into me waving a placard that says ‘vote for somebody else’ then yes, I accept the charge of politicisation. Is that not better than the alternative with barrels of gunpowder (or a modern equivalent)?

    The unrest comes first, aligning with the opposition follows. That was my point. And it’s nothing more than democracy in action. There are interests who would rather paint it differently – the Telegraph are now claiming this free protest is a harbinger of tyranny.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230859
    Beermat
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    What is shameful is the attempt by the Telegraph and the Mail (and probably others but I had to get some air) to make out that the protest organisers were both opportunist political extremists and somehow a bad element by finding some that had expressed support for the opposition in the past. The Telegraph even went as far as insinuating that one, who had lost a family friend, was a terrorist. He is actually on video appealing for calm and against the use of any kind of violence of intimidation during the march.

    The only politicisation is coming from the right, who are determined to brand those with genuine grievences against the Government ‘criminal’. It is not helped by the element who would join anything that might offer a chance of agro. These people are also attracted by Millwall FC and the police (who thankfully weed them out now). They are not the organisers here.

    The only way the situation can improve is through a peaceful political shift. Democracy. Unfortunately there is no way another election will be called by the Cowardly Lioness right now. So we are left with growing anger – as has been astutely observed elsewhere, this is what happens when real populism collides with the manufactured version.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230861
    Beermat
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    CD first.

    Who exactly is helping themselves to something they haven’t worked for, beyond emergency accomdation? No one is suggesting the victims are given these houses to keep! It’s not about it being ‘unfair’, its about practical use of housing as housing not just as a savings account when there is a need to do so.

    These are empty houses
    They are not used
    Not occupied
    Not lived in
    Not enjoyed
    Provide no shelter

    They are assets. They are assets because they sit where they sit. They will remain assets whether they have been used as temporary accommodation for families displaced by a fire or not. No one will take them away.

    Whatever you think about my wisdom or otherwise I do know enough about the world to know that in many other nations, especially the ones that exhibit a ‘super rich’, it is really not at all about ‘honest graft’. It is painfully naive to think these places belong to hard workers from these societies. You are not looking at extra shifts down the tractor factory here.

    Not that this is relevant, sorry for even mentioning the shameful role we play in banking for these people.

    But put that aside. What IS criminal is that these stand empty while people are made homeless through no fault of their own.

    It is political, but it’s not because politics have been superimposed on it by any leader. It is at the very heart of of two different ways of thinking that separate left from right. Right says people can keep others away from their assets because their property is inviolate whether they live in it not – in other words, no one else should benefit from their ownership of capital as a matter of ‘principle’.

    Left says why? Nobody wins from applying this principle in this case, let’s consider how we can house these people in unused houses. Even if it means paying fair rent to the owners.

    It is up to us all and our consciences which way we go on this – not which leader we prefer or whether we consider ourselves labour or conservative first.

    Brad, everyone – including our councils and our government – understand the feeling now. As we live in a democracy they are obliged to act accordingly should they desire to remain in power. Protest works that way.

    OK, you do get the principle of acting for others. So why did you find it necessary to point out that most were probably not victims?

    Plot far from lost. Sometimes it feels like I’m one of the very few (here) who are actually keeping up with it.

    Did you read that article over on the Independence Day thread? Handy plot summary.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230864
    Beermat
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    Bradburger, it’s a concept called acting on behalf of others less able to do so. Dig deep. Think back to a time before you were told by your telescreen that there is no such thing as society.

    Yes, the survivors would have other things to concern them. The rest are dead, Bradburger. It is not some communist plot that people are angry, its humanity.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230971
    Beermat
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    ..and Agent K posted something over on John’s independence day thread that might help paint the picture for those who still don’t know what’s happening.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230976
    Beermat
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    Why, Brad, do you own empty properties in central London?

    If not, why do you care what happens to some Russian criminal’s high-interest cash laundry?

    You know what, we need more angry mobs. Maybe shake a little reality into bent councils and their shady little deals, arrogant ministers with no moral compass but a willingness to be worked by a PR hand up their backsides, and chancers who think ‘populism’ is a philosophy in itself.

    You might find it disgraceful. I find it a source of hope. We aren’t all lying down, closing our eyes and thinking of England. Ironically that’s because, thank God, this IS England.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230991
    Beermat
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    I’m surprised you haven’t met her down the Maggie T fan club social.

    Seriously though, it’s not about the party. You remember your line about the politicians we deserve? Compare Patel to Ken Clarke, for example. We need to raise our own game.

    in reply to: General Discussion #230996
    Beermat
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    Priti Patel is one if the nastiest and yet most stupid people ever to hold office in this country. I rarely react with actual nausea when I hear a name.

    ‘Ugli’ has only ever worked in PR. She could only get the jobs nobody else wanted, promoting smoking and booze.

    Her willingness to sink below the moral and ethical radar naturally led to her gravitation to the right wing of the Conservative party.

    She is desperately under-qualified for her post, but being Asian nobody dares point it out.

    I do not believe a single word that comes out of her nasty little mouth.

    in reply to: General Discussion #231104
    Beermat
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    Ryan – I think you will find that this was the position of both main parties. May tried to pretend it wasn’t, but that failed.

    You really believe the result of any free vote in a free country is for a large proportion of citizens to ‘shut up’? That is misguided anywhere, and especially here.

    In Britain we are wary of anyone telling us what we think and then standing on that as a platform. That was May’s misjudgement. We rocked that platform, just to remind her. One thing we don’t do is shut up when told – and that is one of the things that makes me proud to be British – not some ‘Difficult woman’ thinking she’s Farage.

    John, I have some spare goat skin if you need it.

    in reply to: General Discussion #231132
    Beermat
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    I did not say this was a vote against hard Brexit, did I?

    You are making up points to knock down as ‘incorrect’ as you have little else. As for the ‘Left wing media’..they repeatedly point out that no-one can even define what that is, never mind vote against it. They may suggest that there was an element of ‘no confidence’ in May in the swing, and that is debatable. There would be if there were another snap election. Harking back to Brexit and moaning about media portrayals suggests it’s time to catch up.

    in reply to: General Discussion #231134
    Beermat
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    The planning application?

    Now I admit to being confused. The Council own the buildings. They submit an ambiguous planning application and therefore are not to blame in reading it to mean the safe stuff having just written it?

    I know in reality its two very different teams, and drafting of the application may even have been outsourced, but corporately an ambiguous planning application does not, in this instance, matter one iota.

    in reply to: General Discussion #231240
    Beermat
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    The wheel is not a regulation. Your analogy is worthless.

    in reply to: General Discussion #231244
    Beermat
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    Very few are misinterpreting this result.

    The increased vote share for both main parties is largely due to the decimation of the UKIP vote.

    Enough of the hardcore anti-Europeans believed the ‘Plastic Thatcher’ rhetoric to preserve a very slim majority in the popular vote. The ill-judgement of Mrs. May – her tactics were abysmally awful – means that even that majority has probably gone now. What else is there to interpret or misinterpret?

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