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  • in reply to: General Discussion #235079
    Beermat
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    No, that is a worry. Honestly, it is. I have no concerns about Corbyn having a hesitant finger on the button. I do worry about crucial elements of our national security being in DA’s hands. Not enough to put me off voting, though.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235081
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    Yes. It is a figure for all graduates. Your very long answer was pointless, and not in an erudite gameshow way.

    The enthusiastic cutting and pasting of ‘large graphs’ without spotting the fundamental logical flaw in your argument suggests you might be one of John’s seven-tenths.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235084
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    I agree on that last point. And I never could spell phallusy.

    But aren’t those three out of ten the very same despised ‘liberal elite’? Or is that yet another failed attempt to identify this most shadowy of villains?

    in reply to: General Discussion #235087
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    No, he’s arguing with himself, in great detail and at great length using half baked but verbatim tabloid arguments, selective data, well-known logical falacies and dim assumptions. I really can’t be bothered. J8h

    I have already said I think the figures in the Labour manifesto are optimistic. At least they have a manifesto and not just a lot of pictures of May looking strong and stable.

    Fewer and less are used interchangeably by the under-educated who don’t know the difference.

    Scarily high graduate salaries. On which planet? Or is 19-22,000 scarily high? http://www.instantoffices.com/blog/reports-and-research/average-uk-sala…

    in reply to: General Discussion #235096
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    ‘None of my friends’. What do you guys do, payday loans? Ok, I’ll turn that one around.. who did you know that killed themselves because of a Labour government? Seriously.

    “All I know is…” – a very telling phrase.

    People usually get better off. Demographics don’t always, and are not now. Compare today’s twenty-five year olds with how today’s forty year olds were when they were twenty-five. That is the difference between the individual aspiration model and the long-term societal. Not that I expect you to have got past the first long word.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235097
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    Corbyn’s maths? Do you really think he or the Prime Hypocrite sit down with a calculator?

    None of that waffle has any bearing as we are looking at claims regarding a future scenario, not adding up anything that happened in the past. Not that you have shown anything about that either.

    And by the way it’s ‘fewer’ companies, not ‘less’. I will not take ill-thought-through lectures on economics from a tory with no grasp of basic grammar.

    The world was not globalised? Do you have the foggiest idea of what you mean by that?

    in reply to: General Discussion #235228
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    You have chosen a handy part of a graph and proven no relationship. You know that really. Go on, expand that out over the last 40 years – dare ya!

    You also know that family income versus expenditure depends on far more than income tax bands and rates – and it has declined.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235230
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    That last statement is completely, demonstrably and ludicrously false.

    If I may speak from.personal experience again. I have been very poor indeed. One of your despised dole-drawers. It was an EU funded training scheme on top of a degree that, in combination, made me employable and gave me the beginnings of a career.

    Twenty years later I am doing fine. I have a family, I pay higher-rate tax and might even afford a house before I die.

    I was no more stupid when I was buying water-and-eyeball sausages in big white bags from Kwik-save than I am now. This is an understanding that Labour principles encompass, and conservative ‘values’ will never recognise in a million years.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235232
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    There is no evidence that raising corporation tax reduces the take. It has been reduced by successive governments since 1973, and the take has fluctuated up and down with the economy ever since. You will find that previous to 1973 the effect of raising corporate tax was always to increase the take.

    The theory has been that being a low-corp-tax place to do business would attract companies, regardless of productivity, R and D or government / EU investment. In fact it only worked where those things were in place, like the Cambridge bubble (R and D, Gov/EU investment) or Nissan Sunderland (Gov/EU investment and productivity). On its own, super-low corporation tax keeps company directors happy, and of course when they get together they agree to state they will take their business elsewhere if it goes up a couple of points. The question must be asked – where?

    There is a lot of myth-making around at the moment, not all of it honest.

    I do have children and I will vote Labour – mainly for that very reason. That and not wanting my daughters growing up in a country where they are deemed stupid for not being wealthy.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235236
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    So the less well off are stupid, yes?

    Or do you mean people who could to go to university but can’t afford to?

    Or who?

    Yes, I’m voting Labour. I guess that makes me stupid in your eyes. But you know what? I don’t think the tax take will be what Labour claim. But when you compare that to the plan-free sloganeering, the hollow appeals to some nationalism whipped up by another party, the plastic-Thatcher posturing, the U-turning, the expense fiddling, the Trumpsucking, the character assassination, the reduction in spend on education and research (the real investments for the future) and the full intention of maintaining a stale divide-widening status quo when the opportunity really is there to build something – well, you know what? I will take my chances. If only I was clever like you.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235238
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    Ryan, how’s that? As somebody else has asked, what are we mere ordinary folk worrying about the cost of education, the cost of a home, the cost of our energy, missing about the higher Brexit argument?

    The two most questionable political developments of the century so far have arisen from a direct appeal to the bungalows amongst us. Not wishing to be counted among them, please enlighten me, Ryan.

    in reply to: General Discussion #235247
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    Now we agree on something.

    But re tax – it’s not my field but if company owners could remove all the profits pre-tax into their own pay and thus pay zero tax then they would already be doing it?

    in reply to: General Discussion #235251
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    Yes. I can’t argue with that. It does have to come from somewhere.

    There is a subtle difference though – Corporation tax is paid on profits, VAT is just paid.

    Note that Starbucks worked that trick to negate profits and avoid corp tax because Lux corp tax on intelectual property and licencing is 5.7%.

    This they would have done whatever the UK rate, unless it was 5.7% or less!

    in reply to: General Discussion #235401
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    It’s frequently used figure of speech, not yet a cliche like ‘Class warrior’. I agree it’s close.

    No, I wasn’t accusing you or anyone on here of braying!

    There is not such a simple connection as ‘raise taxes, lose tax’. For a start, it hasn’t been done in 44 years, and when it was last done the tax take went up – so how has it become an article of faith that this is ‘what happens’ now?

    This is informative: https://www.ft.com/content/92017e4e-358b-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0fd2e

    Is the suggestion that UK based companies will shift their operations to Spain and South Korea for the marginal corporation tax difference?

    in reply to: General Discussion #235403
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    When you go into a negotiation you should have an idea of what specifics you are asking for from a deal. (In fact, there are two mental lists one needs in any negotiation – what you go in asking for and what you are aiming to really get). Either way, there would be little point going to the big EU table and demanding a ‘better Britain and lots of – I dunno – stuff that makes me look strong by getting it’ from them – though that seems to be May’s plan at the moment.

    This is 2017. The ‘poor’ have jobs. On an international scale everyone has low tax.

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