The Tory argument is to tell those with very little to begin with that opposing their being further screwed over is bolshie and ultimately selfish, and that those that support their case are ‘class warriors’.

Maybe not so much their policy as the braying cliche of their supporters.

The problem is that if people don’t seem to care whether the money that leaves their pockets is fairly redistributed they are called selfish and if they do they are called jealous class warriors.

Somehow the wealthy are just called wealth creators when it leaves their pockets, wherever it goes. Funny old world, eh?

Today both May and Corbyn have spoken about Brexit. May still has given no policies, Corbyn mentioned a few things like prevention of undercutting of UK wages and conditions through imported cheap labour via strict labour market controls and guarantees on the rights of expats in both directions

If the tories still wish to make it about personalities (though with May still in ‘malfunctioning robot’ mode that is backfiring badly), check Corbyn’s point about the Brexit negotiation teams.

John, I think the British people are a bit less dumb than you think and somewhat resent being told what an election is and isn’t about, preferring to decide that for themselves.

Just throwing this into the mix – freedoms aside wouldn’t making (say) the flying of a black flag a reason for detention simply mean that those who have become intent on carrying out an attack (and thus need to remain at large) simply won’t fly the flag?

And by extension, wouldn’t this apply to many of the outward indicators of radicalisation that would (should) currently trigger a ‘watch’?

The reading of the IFS take on Labours plans around tax is also selective. It may be that someone has said if ‘x’ number changed their behaviour than ‘y’ would happen. If my uncle had boobs he would be my aunt. The point is, the IFS predict that the change in behavioir will be of a magnitude to net 40 billion not 48 billion which is what the party were hoping for. That is still a raised take, though I agree the manefesto figure was optimistic.

You have contradicted yourself there. The police didn’t know he had gone to Syria. Why? Is this not a case for eyes and ears on the ground?

BNFL wasn’t ‘destroyed’ by a Labour Government. There was a phased selling of its assets to private concerns that amounted to a privatisation and decentralisation – all good tory stuff. The plan to do this began with the Government of John Major. If you recall the Blair Government was not a Labour Government as Corbyn would understand it. It was a ‘New Labour’ government, and as such was 50% neo-liberalism and 50% bull.

This was complicated by some serious fraud and falsification of quality data that had begun in 1996 and which was discovered in 1999. It clearly could not continue in the shape it was (my father worked for them, in nuclear safety, and will attest to that). Putting it on the international market may not have been the way forward. But the old senior management guard at BNL, still entrenched after the Windscale enquiry and increasingly prone to ‘say anything’ had to go, and all parties agreed on that. I don’t recall police baton charges against them, though.

At the same tjme there was a decomissioning process as the older stations were run down, and the policy at the time from both parties was not to immediately replace them.

The new statutory body called BNFL that still had administrative oversight of the whole complicated mess and which had steadied the ship was actually finally closed down by the coalition Goverrnment in 2010.

Yes, I am. But it’s not class based. Just general. Only an interpretation of her actions.

Maybe that’s how you read it, CD, but it’s not what I meant. Obvious targets get special treatment and so they should. Essentially an armed guard. Not local bobbies, and nothing to do with the numbers of either.

Ryan, what makes you the expert on counter terrorism intelligence? That is exactly how it worked when the resource was there to do it. Boring and mundane it might be, it might not involve guns and computers going beep when they magically produce reports on people (in exactly the way they don’t in real life) to get you all excited, but there it is. You have watched too much TV, and clearly never spoken to an actual police officer in your life.

I was referring to the comments of an actual policeman. Who left community policing precisely because it was unable to gather the intelligence it used to and it was too frustrating for him. He was speaking after he had left that post, not ‘Saying anything’ out of self-interest. You really should re-assess who is being despicable here. The point is Corbyn wants to do something about it, while the person who could have (and still can) clearly could not give a flying.. squad. You would rather he kept quiet about it? If you start making moral judgements on people you need to think it through. And if you need to know how police intelligence works, ask a bloody policeman. Not the Daily Express.

No. Why do anti-socialists shout ‘class war’ at everything? That wasn’t what I was suggesting at all. Just a fact.

I mention the financial system a lot because it is important, not because I ‘hate’ it.

After all, if there is no such thing as society what else is there? Sorry. You are right, this is going nowhere. We both made some good points in there, let’s leave it at that.