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March 18, 2017 at 9:30 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #783540

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It makes me think why do we bother to restore things if this is the reception said types receive when complete. Take for example my Luton Minor – built 1937, crashed 1939, original engine replaced, extensive woodwork carried out post WW2, crashed again early 1950s, substantially rebuilt, crashed again 1970s. Passes through a number of restorers, by the time I acquire it in 2015, the only thing truely 1937 original is the rudder, tailplane, elevator, and some metal fittings. The engine frame, ailerons and most of the rear fuselage is of 1950s vintage, the wooden wing parts have been lost to time completely.

So for the type to live again it needs a brand new build wing, spars, most of the internals of the fuselage, and a new propeller! Is it still the aeroplane though? I certainly think so, and I want to see it become the oldest airworthy home built, to be enjoyed at shows around the uk. All those unhappy that 90% isn’t original 1937, and that only a total of about 30% existed in 1950 can let me know which shows they are attending and I just won’t bother taking it there!

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March 15, 2017 at 1:30 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #785321

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Thanks Jerry. Will pm my email..!

March 14, 2017 at 2:42 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #785814

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Ian and Jerry, while I have you both..

TNA currently show AVIA5/20/W1039 (Whrlwind L6845 Chepstow), 5/19/W955 (P6984 Sowton) and W1014 (P7008)

This is a different selection to previous search results (as above) – can I check that between you you have seen these, and there is no further information to be gleaned? I have not found any reference to P6984 in the usual places – is it worth me getting a copy?

Jerry, you have said elsewhere L6845 was dug in the 1980’s and parts were on display – can you remember where/who? And are you sure that’s not the Forest of Dean crash, which was definitely dug back then (Alan White et. al.), and small parts recovered?

March 14, 2017 at 11:07 am in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #785831

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Hi Jerry!

I don’t know about Sabrejet’s recent experience, and I have never actually been (currently spending quite a lot of cash on asking them to search on my behalf) but I am sure that the NA on-line catalogue is quietly changed all the time, as results do seem to appear or disappear from searches year-to-year.

Got your PM – we’ve pursued that one via a third party, but I will ask again myself at the location you gave.

More generally I have been trying to find trace of the mysterious ‘Jack Dale’, who would have been the recipient of all 50 MU gang’s reports, according to Jim Wilson. He seems quite high up, a civilian head of 50MU and part of the triumvirate of Lord Nuffield, the Cowley Managing Director and himself – but he has disappeared off the face of history, it seems.

He did briefly reappear here, though, in 1943 – for 50 m.n. I suspect read 50 MU. As does the famous Mr. Leggett. (August 28th / Sept 1st) http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/29/a4476729.shtml

March 13, 2017 at 10:03 pm in reply to: The Wesley Andrew Tierney – Historic Aviation Walter Mitty #786132

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Which app is that?

March 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm in reply to: The Wesley Andrew Tierney – Historic Aviation Walter Mitty #786172

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When I came to this forum I thought it would be populated by kids and wannabees, but that was my own ignorance. As it happens I didn’t know too much about very much myself (and know only a little more now), but I was interested enough to stick it out when I realised the depth and breadth of experience of the people who were prepared to talk to me. There is a certain negativity to assessing other people’s level of knowledge and, if judging it wanting, avoiding even reading threads with them in. That way one learns nothing (not a problem if you know everything, of course) and passes on nothing.

March 13, 2017 at 5:28 pm in reply to: Warbirds two blade props #786276

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I suspect (and I haven’t read the article) this might be Paul Rogers’ Mk1. He is keen on the authentic look – I built the fabric-type wing Warren truss and re-drew the original ribs when I was on the project.

March 13, 2017 at 1:46 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #786413

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Ah, I see. I imagine it’s the same info that appeared in their published ‘aircraft by serial’ lists? Was amazed at the amount of work it must have taken to compile those – I am guessing from a combination of movement and accident cards?

March 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #786432

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Interested to know that photos of incidents do exist at Kew, though. Don’t suppose you saw any Whirlwinds on moorland, did you?

March 13, 2017 at 12:41 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #786434

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Sounds like you’re volunteering?!

March 13, 2017 at 12:37 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #786437

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Quick work, Paul. What reference are you using?

March 13, 2017 at 12:33 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #786439

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These notes would be a very good basis for a very interesting book. Ever thought of it?

I’d need to know more about the workings of the MU’s, the CRU, CRO’s, MPRD and 43 Group. I am working on that!

I agree it would make a good book, combining that under-represented aspect of the war effort with the ‘human interest’ of Jim’s diaries. I’ll get on to it when I’ve got my 1930’s aerodynamic design coffee table book out of the way!

March 13, 2017 at 10:50 am in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #786688

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Some of the notes were typed up in 1945 by Jim Wilson, from his own handwritten diary of the time – some wrong digits may have crept in there. I think the next job, the Hart, has the wrong serial too – but after that they seem accurate. The handwritten version that survives only goes back to June 41. Still, there is so much detail in the narrative I think Jim can be forgiven for a couple of typos.

Highlights for me are the bomber wheel caught up on a mine (Jim’s assistant saying he’d work with him on it, but only if Jim would tell head office he’d volunteered. Later the bomb-disposal chap turns up to find it swinging about in a sling, still armed) and the ‘hush-hush’ job picking up a Spitfire PR1A (which he called a ‘Blue Peter’ Spitfire).

March 11, 2017 at 11:06 pm in reply to: Seen On Ebay 2017 #787490

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This is not what it pertains to be – it’s from a Fraser Nash turret, not a BF109

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nice-clean-maker-marked-engine-part-of-Messerschmitt-109-3895-s-d-30-9-40-by-ace-/322440506212?hash=item4b12f3ab64:g:S7UAAOSwWxNYuVBr

This seller repeatedly lies. No other word for it. The problem is nothing gets done about it if one raises it – eBay don’t care.

March 11, 2017 at 12:14 pm in reply to: Thoughts And Advice Needed – 50MU Diary #787675

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Thanks to Rosie, Jim’s daughter, for allowing it.
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