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  • in reply to: General Discussion #260572
    Beermat
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    Ohh.. my morality has been called into question. I am shaken to the core! Any specific violent act that I neglect to condemn on a forum thread read by a dozen people (if that) I am complicit in. How could I have been so blind not to see that, bearing in mind the blinding logic of that assertion.

    Is there not a little voice in your head saying ‘Hang on, this really is bollox that I am typing now’?

    in reply to: General Discussion #260586
    Beermat
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    Maybe it does ‘take the biscuit’ but it happens, John. Lots of ‘home grown’ wannabe terrorists have a history of serious problems relating to the real world and other people. It’s not an excuse for anything.. but not running around squawking about the Muslim horde every time a nutter flips doesn’t make me or anyone an ‘apologist’

    in reply to: General Discussion #260720
    Beermat
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    John, you may wish to use these events for a rant against.. whatever it is you are ranting against, ten billion peace loving muslims, was it?

    Please don’t be upset that nobody else here does.

    There are some lovely forums out there where you can get together with like minded souls who rant about blacks, arabs, jews, women, liberals, or whatever. Try the comments pages on Russia Today. Or just google “Right wing hatred chat room”.

    in reply to: General Discussion #260830
    Beermat
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    So, John, maybe no-one has anything else to say. That never stops you, of course.

    in reply to: General Discussion #260837
    Beermat
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    Mr. Green – Not sure I follow

    I don’t recall anyone on this forum ever being an apologist for any terrorist act. So now you are crowing about people who have never been apologists not being apologists again?

    Is that all you have? I refer you to my question in the Brexit thread.

    in reply to: General Discussion #260839
    Beermat
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    Are you pissed, John?

    in reply to: General Discussion #260847
    Beermat
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    John. We have just spent some time discussing how appalling the Liverpool Militant brand of ‘Socialism’ was, as exemplified by Mr. Hatton. Admittedly off-topic. Why would anyone be a Hatton ‘lookalike’ by virtue of suggesting that Brexit has a negative economic effect? There is a very tortuous connection in your mind that I cannot make myself.

    Stock market indIces rise as an overall trend. That is the point of the market, it wouldn’t exist if that didn’t happen.

    When things happen that are likely to affect the broader economy negatively, whether finite or unbounded in effect, the market reacts by falling temporarily. That happened.

    in reply to: General Discussion #260958
    Beermat
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    Aw bless, he’s all confused.

    in reply to: General Discussion #260984
    Beermat
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    Damn, that was funnier than mine.

    in reply to: General Discussion #261077
    Beermat
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    Ok, promise the rest of us this my last one! Yes, the Grafton was something else. Went there a couple of times.. Tried explaining ‘grab a gran’ to someone recently, but it just sounds wrong when you say it.. Never did Quadrant Park either, but like to mention to the kids that I went to the Nation before ‘Cream at the Nation’ existed, and when it was still called ‘Academy’. Actually thought it was a bit crap compared to a night on Mathew Street.

    in reply to: General Discussion #261083
    Beermat
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    Well, that’s all a bit weird. Remember all of that – except the inverted dwarf racing.

    I was always in Flannagans basement in the early nineties, drinking stupid amounts of Guinness (it was the law). There were some seriously good bands on down there, or it seemed like it anyway.. Started going to Guinans after my mate was barred from the Jac – sure you’d have gone there too. If you ever went downstairs there you’d probably have had to suffer me doing crap, p*ssed Doors covers on open mic night (which was most nights?). I got thrown out of there myself once for arguing over.. something, might have been a jumper. Bouncer took me out the back door first, to teach me not to argue – then out the front, where I landed on my head. Things were different then, no-one got sued, my mates told me I probably deserved it and I went home happy enough and bleeding.

    Other places – Flute on Hardman Street, Pilgrim, Ye Cracke, Dr Duncan’s, Dispensary (that came later), Grapes, Phil of course, AJ up by the Uni, the Cambridge (getting more bohemian this way), Peter Kavanagh’s.. and more. Loads more in fact.

    But here’s the one. Do you remember Casablanca when it was a proper dodgy club, not a bar (ex-dockers bar at that)?

    in reply to: General Discussion #261089
    Beermat
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    Jonesy, have our paths crossed before? I’ve fallen out of a few Liverpool pubs in a past life – and not all of them in the ‘safe’ central bit (not that Slater Street on a Saturday night was all that safe either, back then).

    in reply to: General Discussion #261094
    Beermat
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    Yep.

    I was never in those ranks though, John. I don’t know the words to the Red Flag.. I end up singing ‘Oh Tannenbaum’.

    in reply to: General Discussion #261098
    Beermat
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    Fair answer – yes, can’t argue about Liverpool, though was just passing through (1988-2000) – it did stay pretty hardline left while I was there, and a lot of people riding that were pretty unsavoury, too. ‘Primus inter pares’ indeed.

    Funnily enough the bit about losing your left-wing belief when you get a company BMW though.. I was going to post up a new thread about this, and was going on the forum to do it when I read your post!

    My feeling is it’s probably truer now than it was. Solidarity only really existed when people were certain of place, job, community etc. When it gets dog-eat-dog, where no-one is ‘working class’ anymore, but instead everyone is either a ‘striver’ or a ‘skiver’, then SOME – not all – will forget their principles when they have received the personal ‘affirmation’ of a beamer, or whatever. All too ready to demonstrate to others and themselves that they have ‘risen above’ all that – and that includes the concept of solidarity. The same unpleasant sense of arrogance seemed to run through Hatton and the like – but they had to espouse ‘socialism’ to keep their grubby little jobs. And to head it off (I can hear it now from JG) yes I do distinguish between keeping a job building ships and keeping a job talking ****e and harvesting council money.

    Those in charge of Liverpool Militant were no more socialist than Tony Blair was.

    in reply to: General Discussion #261107
    Beermat
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    Jonesy, your theory about ‘nicking dole money’, along with earlier comments.. are there 17 million on the dole, then? Sorry, but you seem to have lurched into DM made-up-land, where maths or logic need not apply as long as we can find a scapegoat.

    Lefties are people worried about losing their dole? Thatcher’s lot did such a number all those years ago that there still seem to be very few, even among intelligent commentators like yourself, who remember what the word Labour means. It is a workers party – it’s just that a lot of these workers got laid off. The effect of the resulting frustration and disengagement has been to move these communities to the right, not left.

    If their kids are getting jobs they are told they’ll lose them if they even think of joining a union. So very few have any idea of what ‘left’ even means (apart from a vague sense it’s something bad that involves 1970’s hair and Russia), never mind actually being it.

    This was encouraged by decades of courting by the Conservative party via their ‘news’ outlets, while New Labour pursued the middle-class.

    You surprised me earlier by equating EU membership with reduced social provision, when in reality the ‘hard right’ are loving Brexit because it gives them a free hand to screw everyone already relatively badly off without basic legal restraint.

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