PLANAF has an exclusively land based fighter fleet right now, which is not particularly small either.
mmm, I am not sure of that. it was to have limited internal carriage if memory serves right. but then very little about it is known. I guess they decided the risk of depending completely on undeveloped TVC was too much and went for the conventional design.
btw, any particular advantage to the X-32 type of design ?
the original design was even more radical. tailless delta with TVC only to compensate for the lack of vertical stabilizers. someone did a CG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfrAMveMsUI
That was the original plan anyway and also the chief called Tejas a MIG 21++. May be he’s a bit mellowed now as he is nearing retirement.
The increase in Tejas numbers is logical because they selected a twin engined fighter for the MRCA.
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that was never the ‘original plan’ quad, I am pretty sure Air HQ does not share its plans with you. please do not pass off your opinion as fact (yet again).
the increase in tejas numbers is logical because that’s how IAF operates, I have been saying this from day 1.
May be he’s a bit mellowed now as he is nearing retirement.
mellowed down in what respect, he has always been a go-getter and if anything he is pushing things at a more furious pace now that he nearing retirement. his stance on the LCA has remained mostly unchanged if youcare to think about it. at IOC the air-intercept radar and A2A missiles were not certified but it was already a damn good CAS platform, nothing wrong with calling it mig21++ based on performance at that moment.
where he went wrong was he failed to account for DDM and people with limited understanding of the technicalities who would misread that comment and start bashing the tejas, which is not what he wanted.
his subsequent comments clearly shows his actual stand :
The LCA, in its present form, is a fourth generation aircraft and we are working with HAL to enhance its capabilities. I am hopeful that the aircraft, in its final operational clearance configuration, will be a much more potent platform, to be a ‘fourth generation plus’
Tejas
What engine?
GE F-414. possibly kaveri-SNECMA in the future.
There is also the concern over (for example India’s) problems with spare parts. I accept that ‘Russian jets costs lots to maintain‘ has become internet accepted wisdom and that’s not always the same as fact but India’s woes must give the Argentinian’s pause for thought if nowt else.
there’s a problem with generalizing ‘russian this, russian that’. IAF has generally been quite happy with sukhoi’s support. mig OTOH was horrendous in the 90’s and not that much better even now. ilyushin is another one that does not seem to have managed too well in the post USSR world.
JF-17’s for everyone! the one and only solution for every air force!
que for peddling the tejas ? :diablo:
IAF now plans 6-7 squadrons of LCA MK-2 up from five earlier, like I had predicted.
you remember a certain someone here was 100% SURE that LCA would be capped at 100 ? 😀
I don´t understand your point here. USSR DID supply them cheaply, Russia adjust upward prices on Cold War debt. That doesn´t change the fact that USSR was a cheap supplier, in fact unreasonably cheap, as reflected by the fact that nobody offers such deals anymore… :confused:
yes it does. if you sell something cheaply and then raise the price after it has been sold, it doesn’t stay cheap does it ? was it cheaper than western arms, sure it was but the price readjustment meant that it was in effect sold at market prices.
IOW, at the end it was not a favour as some would like to believe.
So what? :confused:
so this, just like russia sometimes helped India, India also helped russia. the point being, India is not indebted to russia, not any more. twinblade’s argument was that we still owed russia for whatever help we received during the cold war.
Are you speaking of your own opinion? It actually doesn´t seem like that to me.
yes, it’s my opinion. just like you are expressing your opinion here. 😎
I wouldn´t say there are no problems between Russia and India, but that doesn´t mean that either side wants to destroy their relationship.
There are more direct ways to accomplish that if that was the intent.
(compare to US´ cutting off of spares and export licences to Venezuela)
canceling a joint exercise planned months if not years in advance AFTER the fleet reaches your ports citing lack of preparation and then sending them on a separate exercise seems designed to do just that. even russian analysts have commented on the stupidity of the move.
twin, that was then, this is now. whatever it might look like right now, the relationship during cold war went both ways.
just so you know, India’s rouble debt to russia was unilaterally re-evaluated and hiked post break-up of USSR, which means that the weapons supplied cheaply weren’t so cheap after all.
also, let us not forget that India (and china) saved russia’s MIC from bankruptcy during its most vulnerable years. while china didn’t really have any alternative, India did and still chose to go with russia, at considerable risk (this was the time when nearly the entire mig-29 fleet was grounded and mig-21’s suffered enormous crash rates because spares had to sourced from shoddy east european sources because mig bureau was incapable of supplying spares), barring the MKI, much of that risk has not paid off. there have been numerous other problems, some widely known, others not, which I will not list here.
the gist of the matter is, I still believe India and Russia have no major point of conflict of interest and a number of common ones. unfortunately russia’s attitude towards India in recent times has been at best juvenile and immature. to an outsider however it seems like russia is dying to destroy any relation that exists.
you mean they are not as good backstabbers as the americans ? :p
Whats is the full of ARUDHRA, usually all names of Indian systems are short form. Anyone?
like every other Indian radar from 3D CAR onwards, arudhra is named after a constellation. as are bharani, revati, ashlesha, rohini.
Elta EL/M-2084 MMR
really einstein ? 😀 I wonder why are they calling it arudhra when it is (as you claim) the EL/M-2084 ? :rolleyes:
this looks same as the arudhra to you ?

rayrubik, it’s our old BSmaster prasun sengupta saying it’s israeli, we know what his credibility is. arudhra is a separate program from the radars ordered from israel.
if so, what are you ranting about ?
LCA is comparable to gripen because it IS comparable to gripen, not because of when it reached IOC. that has as much relevance as you flaming on this forum.
yeah lol, you are talking about the gripen right ? the fighter that was inducted into the air force and declared a stunning success even before it achieved IOC ?
No the whole point was you bristling that someone had the temerity to rate the aircraft as a modest performer going on assumed specs. Your argument is very clear and its nothing to do with the suitability of the Sea Gripen for the IN. You can try spinning this any way you like but the fact remains you are arguing performance specs between LCA and Gripen. Do so by all means….on a thread for that purpose.
Likewise your ‘rolled out’ comment. Another attempt at spin and one not belonging on this thread. There is nothing glib about being told three times that this isnt an LCA thread by two posters but insisting on trying to make it so….thats called sheer ignorance.
wrong, at no point did I say anything about LCA’s performance in this thread and I certainly didn’t compare it with anything.
the question was about LCA’s role in Indian navy, kindly do not try to invent other issues to fit your obvious bias.
since you insist otherwise, you will surely have no problem quoting the posts where I did as you allege ?
I will say the same thing I said to your excitable friend, show me proof or shut up.
You can try spinning this any way you like but the fact remains you are arguing performance specs between LCA and Gripen.
that I am doing in another thread, not here but in your babbling overexcited state you seem to have taken leave of your senses.
tell me this, you will have me believe that if someone said that
“the eurofighter typhoon is clearly a 2nd rung LIFT category fighter in the RAF” you and other uber-patriotic fanboys won’t be jumping up and down on him with far more rude and gratuitous remarks ? :rolleyes:
you and your bosom friend have been throwing out one unfounded statement after another without a shred of evidence and you expect other people to just shut up and accept it ? really ?