CAG was being loony. that particular set of criticism was baseless.
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http://www.vayuaerospace.in/images1/M-MRCA-The_contending_missiles.pdf
Python 4 is rumoured to
be in service with the IAF for some time (my comment: on mirage-2000 apparently)
yet never officially confirmed and it may
be speculated that these are test batches
to secure major follow-on orders for the
new Python 5.
Reportedly the Python 5 and Derby are also set to arm
squadrons of Indiaโs own Light Combat
Aircraft (LCA) Tejas prior to availability
of the indigenous Astra BVRAAM. In
fact, the Derby BVRAAM already arms
the Indian Navyโs Sea Harriers to provide
a combination of both BVR and closecombat
capability.
in addition India operates the python in the form of spyder and rafael has a JV with BEL to manufacture python seeker heads.
http://aerospacediary.blogspot.com/2010/03/joint-venture-between-rafael-bel-now-on.html
python-5 is a very natural choice.
Some evidence for that please?
-TR1
it’s not as high-end as it sounds. most 4th gen aircrafts with respectable TWRs would be able to go supersonic on dry thrust in clean config and low fuel load. quite clearly, this has little practical value other than fleeing from your enemy. :diablo:
Seems all the talk of Python 5 being Tejas’ SRAAM is rubbish, the article clearly state the R73 is already chosen.
R-73 is the in-service CCM of IAF, at the moment. clearly, IAF does not operate python-5 now which means it can only become tejas’ CCM in the future, if it is chosen.
so tell me, how does a bit of news about tejas being validated with R-73 now validate or invalidate opinion about whether python-5 will be used in the future ? in fact even this episode of certifying R-73 on LCA is follow-up of decision taken back in 2001 and not a recent one.
there is a strong chance that INS viraat i.e hermes might be preserved as well. so one falklands veteran might be around for sometime.
Oh sorry. I don’t know why but i was under the impression you were getting Erieye too. OK, you have the Phalcons, right? The bottom line stays the same.
phalcons and DRDO AEW&C based on EMB-145.
http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/09/modified-emb-145-will-arrive-in-jan.html
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/photo-first-modified-emb-145-fuselage.html
Also, the Indians get Erieye. I presume, that they will make the Swedes link them with everything (including russian aircrafts), which means, that maybe linking between russian and western aircrafts is also possible. What’s stopping the IAF from taking advantage of links of the Erieye or of better aircrafts in the same formation and feeding info on the “less performing” Gripen/F16/SH?
that’s pakistan, not India.
finally answering this question from page 1.
is this the end of the skippers career as a sub commander ?
why doesn’t the US allow transfer of F-22 to countries like japan and australia that are desperate for it ?
it would also reduce the price tag and allow the USAF to get a few more F-22’s from the re-opened production lines.
This swing wing lightning is utterly ugly!
I was going to say that ! :p
HF-73, deep penetration strike aircraft candidate from HAL based on the HF-24 marut. it was discarded for the jaguar. even more unfortunate because the marut is also supposed to have been capable of supercruise (1.02 mach) at altitude, way back in the 70’s.
this is one of the early models.
the final wind tunnel model, on the right.
interestingly, on the left seems to be a model of the P.106 which ADA/NAL seems to have studied in coming up with the LCA design.
That’s also a reasonable explanation. They got (and will) from the Russians technology and now they want to get some western too.
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If you want to go “expensive”, i think at least you should prefer the Rafale, for the only reason that you will be able to integrate it easier to “french” bases, where you already have support for Mirage.
it is more of an afterthought to explain the decision to go ahead with MRCA. ๐ to be fair, they faced a lot of flak from the media as IAF fleet strength was steadily going down with no other solution readily available. the PAKFA was still this mythical beast and people had little confidence in LCA. MRCA was seen as a ‘quick’ way to plug the gap. :rolleyes:
as it is, it will probably be arriving within a couple of years of the PAKFA. ๐ฎ
There are already 272 MKIs and 40 Tejas on order, but that’s for sure not enough to counter the huge PLAAF fleet. Tejas is a low end fighter and besides beeing much delayed, will find it hard to counter J10Bs, that means for a real deterrence, India needs something capable inbetween.
other than payload, there is no parameter on which the tejas will lag behind the J-10B. the L in LCA stands for light, not low end. ๐
the point people have been making is that IAF should buy an aircraft that can do self-escorting strikes against PRC. I agree that if we are to waste money on MRCA we should at least get an aircraft that adds some serious capability. ‘saving’ here to buy something like the gripen would prove to be a waste in the longer run, better to spend a little extra and get something really useful.
tiffy is a very good aircraft but doesn’t fit our needs, neither does the mig-35 or F-16. the F/A-18 is nearing its evolution cycle and this is not a good time to get it, to say nothing of US propensity to throw a fit now and then.
that leaves the gripen NG and rafale. gripen NG, should we buy tejas Mk2 equivalents at twice the price ? really ? :p
I can’t see why India doesn’t simply buy some additional aircrafts from Russia, then get Tejas and PAK-FA and be over with it. Why introduce yet another type and possibly different technology.
welcome to the club.
the whole MRCA saga is IMO a massive waste especially since due to slow decision making (well not that all of the candidates are completely ready either) the primary objective, that of filling up numbers quickly has long been lost.
we should have bought 120 M2k when we had the time and left it that. once that option was gone there is no justification for this dog and ponny show.
the revised bloated weight (loaded weight since the EF figure from the brochure is for loaded, I’m not too sure of the others).
wing area : 38.4 m^2
loaded weight : 9600 kg
the original wing loading was 220 kg/m^2
p.s. in addition to TWR and fuselage design, like you mentioned you also have to take into account the effect of the canards.
for comparison ๐
BVR equals high alt. and high wing load means poor authority to counter momentum, like the ability to turn away in a BVR missile exchange.
Would be interesting to see some info on how the respective fighters turn at 30.000+ ft.EF 311 kg/m^2
Rafale 326 kg/m^2
Gripen 336 kg/m^2
F-15 358 kg/m^2
Su-27 371 kg/m^2
F-22 375 kg/m^2
F-4 phantom 383 kg/m^2
F-16C Block30 430 kg/m^2
F-35 446 kg/m^2
MiG-31 665 kg/m^2Boeing 747 727 kg/m^2
HAL tejas 250 kg/m^2
p.s. this document http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/efworld/ef_world_3-2010web.pdf
gives EF wing loading as < 330 kg/m^2 which I calculate to be roughly at loaded weight. which figures are you using ?
The Growler wasn’t offered because the MMRCA didn’t have a requirement for a Electronic Warfare Varient. Which, is not surprising considering the Super Hornet was the only one with such a variant. Nonetheless, I think its fair to says that if the Super Hornet is selected as the Winner of the MMRCA. The Growler would be a likely option at a later date. That is unless to care to debate the point???
please re-read. growler-lite was offered which means that growler is not going to be offered.
assurances mean zilch in real life. we have learned that the hard way.