Not SAM system, but the mobile radars of course. BTW the Pantsir S1 and Tanguska and few other SHORADS can fire on the move. The Pantsir is a SHORAD but it has a ceiling of 10kms and a range of 20kms.
Thats cool. The Iskander is TBM, much faster and of course carries a much bigger warhead, but the Brahmos LtL launcher not only carries one more missile, but those can be reloaded much faster than a BM.
How many missiles is the Indian SS coastal launcher sopposed to have?
I am not sure the dates, but it was during the whole war, especially at the beginning. I’ve seen quite a few Mig-21s and G-4s and such doing CAS and flying over, spotted a Gazelle once but that was rare too. Another thing that I saw only once was an An-26 dropping paratroopers behind enemy lines, that was pretty cool to see too. I was pretty small back then, probably all happend more often that I did not see it and even at night too.
If there is no threat at all, then they really dont need anything. The P-3s are expensive to operate, are old and need replacement. Something like a UAV for Maritime Patrol like the Mariner or Global Hawk have really high endurance, therefore they could always be flying around and such, and a Global Hawk can probably search more water in a given time than any other platform in the World. Transports and such are all reasonable. A few new C-130Js could be purchased or the older ones upgraded, no need to purchase any different airframe considering they already operate the C-130 series, so no matter how expensive the new C-130J is, it will be very easy to integrate it.
As for Attack Helicopters? What for?
Yes, they dont need anything even like the P-3. They could buy some sort of Maritime Patrol/SAR aircraft with long range and endurance, and they certainly dont need something as sophisitcated as the P-3. Something like a UAV like Mariner/Global Hawk can probably do Maritime Patrol pretty well.
Thats true, because they had a rather easy time taking out the radars, today good mobile radars that are always on the move will be very hard to take out.
The Brahmos SS version, this can be used as a tactical land attack version besides coastal defence too, right? It will have a range of 300km and up to 3 missiles will be on a launcher. This is not bad, and it could be used in the same sense as smaller tactical short range ballistic missiles like the ltest Tochkas and the Iskander-E.
Yes, but I am just talking about the launchers. A single MSAM TELAR would have 3 times more missiles and would be easier to service. Therefore a single MSAM battery would require 3 times less launchers for the same number of missiles as a BUK-M2 battery.
BTW when it comes to BUK-M2 and such, wouldnt it be just a lot easier if the teh whole radar system was just in one seperate vehicle?
http://www.migavia.ru/eng/production/?tid=1&id=5
Maximum weapons load for Mig-29M1/M2 is 4500kg
The same figures are given for Mig-29SMT and K, which for some reason I kind of doubt. I don’t think the Mig-29K is going to be able to lift anywhere as much as M1/M2 nor do I think the SMT will just because the M is a much newer and lighter airframe and it was always optimized more for strike at the beggining.
So either that 4500kg figure is wrong on the official MiG site and it’s higher or its right and the figures for K and SMT are wrong.
I was never in Banja Luka during the war, I was in the suburbs of Sarajevo held by Serbs during the whole war so I was never aware of RS’ or Yugoslavian AF activities at that time, except I’ve seen quite a few G-4s and Mig-21s flying CAS missions nearby on Muslim bunkers, buildings and such dropping bomb bombs and rockets.
However, I am pretty aware of a G-4 that was shot down by an F-16 + AIM-120 I think like in 1995, not sure but it was when NATO established the no fly zone.
Why would you get the L-159 when the G-4 is already there and it’s pretty similar, little less capable but it’s already there.
50 more? not gona happen sorry
Compare that to NSM and, apart from a CVN, there is no target that those weapons can tackle that NSM cannot and in one missile type. That one missile being swingrole on the pylon for antiship and precision land-attack.
Thats a very good point Jonesy, against a Navy with capable Air Defenses and AIR COVER like the Russian, French, British or US Navies and now Indian and Chinese, the NSM would not be a good choice because you will want to stay as far back as possible and a weapon like Alfa would be a good option. Against everything else, the NSM is the best weapon. The Uran, Exocet and Kh-35 being right after it.
BTW, is there a planned submarine launched NSM?
Yes, but right now the G-4M could be enough for that role, they already have the plane and itcould just be upgraded. In the future, something better could be used to replace it, something cheap and small that can operate from anywhere.
Yes, thats why they dont need such longer ranged weapons, the Soviets just could not rely completely on subs and torpedos to sink Carrier groups, so therefore they built long range AShMs. That is why West has not had a reason to build heavy and long ranged AshMs, cuz they relied on subs and such.
If the Soviets back then would’ve had large carrier groups and very good ASW capabilities, I’d bet West would’ve built large and long ranged AshMs too to counter these because no longer it would’ve been able to rely on subs+torpedos.
Yes, but you’re excluding it’s seperate radar vehicle right? Lets say there are 4 TELARs in each battery. The BUK-M2 system will have 16 ready to launch missiles, while an MSAM battery will have what 48 ready to launch missiles
A single MSAM TELAR will have a similar number of missiles as 3 BUK-M2 TELARs.
So therefore, in a MSAM battery, you could have fewer TELARs than a BUK-M2 battery. A single MSAM battery could consist of a single TELAR of 12 9M96E missiles while a single BUK-M2 battery will have to have 3 TELARS for the same number of missiles.
Much cheaper to buy, and the 10km less range is not such a big deal. It will also be easier to service since you will need fewer TELARs and the MSAM is a VL system. The VL system is little less complex, little better reaction time and such.