You get what you pay for srbin. lets just put it that way.
Not exactly, I don’t see why A400M is twice as better than an An-70 according to it being twice as more expensive.
The A400M is a good plane, but for it’s cost it’s crap much like the C-17 and C-130J. The A400M will be good for European airlift needs, but for export I would never really even look at it, being twice as more as expensive than the more capable An-70 and as much as 3 times than the Il-76MF, just forget it. The A400M was projected to cost around 80-90mn Euros and around 110 I think USD, while Il-76MF can be gotten for something like 35mn and I think the An-70 at most will be 50mn. I too think the An-70 is an expensive tiger compared to the Il-76MF.
Like i said, A400M is just a future for Europe, noone else.
Force logic aside, there has to be a good reason why they would consider Su-30MKs now. Think endurance, think long range maritime strike, think long range interdition. The warmed over F-16A/B/C/D is not in the same class.
Yes but is Thailand a large country that needs a fighter with long endurance and range? Not like they will need them to travel hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kilometres to attack an enemy.
Besides, why not just get a Mig-29M/SMT, it will do a great job too. I still think the best choice would be to acquire more F-16s and upgrade them in Israel with Python 5, Derby and Gabriel IV(with 200km of range, not as good as Yakhont-M but still way better than Harpoon)
And where is the money for all this supposed to come from? Hello???? Do you really think Lybia with its $35 billion GDP can afford all this? Or do you think Russia will build all those Mig-29SMT’s for free? It would not be unreasonable to expect Lybia to upgrade some of their aircraft and maybe even buy a few new things but buying hundreds of modern jet fighters and S-400’s is absurd.
They got oil and alot of it, which happens to be expensive now. How did they pay for hundreds of those Mirages and Migs they bought decades ago, yes some was aid but mostly oil.
Thailand, its huge poultry industry stricken by bird flu, wants to pay for Russian weaponry with chickens, the Reuters news agency quoted the country’s prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra as saying.
Thaksin said he had ordered his ambassador in Moscow to offer Thai chicken for Russian weapons and that he would consult with military chiefs on what arms they wanted.
“Our chicken exports have been hit by bird flu,” Thaksin told reporters on Tuesday. “When we can’t sell in our traditional markets, we need to penetrate new markets by bartering. We can’t leave all this chicken in Thailand.”
Thailand, the world’s fourth biggest chicken exporter until the industry was ravaged by bird flu early this year, has never exported poultry to Russia.
But with the European Union and Japan, its biggest customers, barring imports of Thai fresh and frozen chicken, it has been offering incentives like cheap credit to Asian countries willing to buy Thai poultry.
Thaksin gave no hint on whether warplanes were on his Moscow shopping list, but Russia’s Vedomosti business daily reported on Wednesday that Bangkok wanted to buy at least six Sukhoi Su-30s worth $200 million.
It quoted a source close to Russia’s arms trade authority as saying Thailand, which has equipped its air force with U.S. fighters, had sent a defence delegation to Russia recently to Irkut, which has a licence to produce the Su-30.
Another company making Su-30s is state-owned Sukhoi Corporation, Russia’s top arms exporter, which forecasts 2004 sales at $1.5 billion and plans to export 40 fighters.
Su-30s, together with MiGs, form the backbone of Russia’s arms trade and go mainly to Southeast Asia, where Indonesia, Vietnam and Malaysia have long been buyers.
Boosting defence exports is part of President Vladimir Putin’s plan to revive the arms sector, but sales are still a tiny fraction of what they were in Soviet times.
Last year’s arms sales hit a post-Soviet record of $5.4 billion, mainly on strong demand from Southeast Asia. Fighter jet sales make up about two-thirds of Russia’s arms exports.
I personally think they should just buy more F-16s, give them the MLU upgrade and like Chile get Israeli weapons integrated with them like Derby, Python 5 and of course the latest Gabriel AshM(though not as good as Yakhont-M, still very good and Thailand has already done this when they bought the L-39ZAs with Israeli weapons and avionics). If anything, I’d rather buy some S-300PMU2s or invest in S-400(these SAMs should be very cheap solutions and easy to integrate in Western oriented militaries), if F-16MLUs are not good to counter those hordes of Flankers in South Asia.
The Flanker is a good plane, but it will be costly integrating another aircraft type in the Thai AF, which traditionally uses Western types, at least SAMs will not be hard to integrate with it’s AD or Army.
I think F-16MLU with Derby and Python 5 + S-300PMU2/S-400 will be enough to counter those Flankers and will be very cost effective.
Also, maybe in order to support those F-16MLUs, some sort of AWACS could be bought, maybe the Phalcon, or the Hawkeye or hell even the cheap Erieye are options.
Well after Libya saw what happend to their French made Mirage IIIs I don’t think they will exactly go for French or in fact anything Western. I think the best bet is to invest in the future into the Russian PAK-FA to replace all te Mig-21s, Mig-23s, Su-24s, Mig-25s and every single fighter cuz the PAK-FA will be multirole, and 50-60 of these aircraft will be suitable enough for Libya’s needs and budget. Also I think their SAMs could be modernized and I would shop for something like S-400.
One of the reasons Qaddafi gave for stopping the WMD programs and supporting terrorists was because he wanted the embargo gone so he could purchase new weapons, so it will be interesting to see what sort of things he will go shopping for.
I am really interested in knowing how the Syrians used their Mig-25s agains the Israelis, how many were shot down/intercepted?
Mexico already will buy L-159 Albatros, that is a fact but for the Mexican Navy to intercept drug dealers so is i do not think they will buy Yak-130 from russia but the Russian could well make an offer
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Ummm Thai AF interested in Sukhois? I thought they were all Western hardware and fine with F-16 ADFs.
Actually I think the best option for Mexico is something like Yak-130, M-346 or T-50, they can serve as trainers, light fighters and would be very suitable for CAS and of course Drug Interdiction. They might as well replace those old F-5s. The Yak-130/M-346 or T-50 with R-73/AIM-9 will be fine for Mexico’s simple Air Policing and would be better than a F-7MG which is better than those AJTs only in terms of dogfighting probably and cost.
So the Yak-130, T-50 and FTC-2000 are in production? don’t make me laugh Kukoc.
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No but they will be going into production soon, the G-4 is done. Even the G-4M has no hope for any sort of production, and it’s performance is not up to par with the Yak-130, especially in avionics, payload, weapons carried and number of hardpoints.
Also as for Yak-130, there seems to be a single seat light fighter version being developed. dubbed Yak-133, with stronger AI-222-28 engines which will be similar to M-346’s engines, and it is also said to carry some 800 more kg of fuel internally. It is schedueled to fly in 2005-2006 but I am not sure about this at all.
F-18, if you have nothing valuable to contribute to the discussion then screw off. G-4 is not in production nor it is going back in it.
Well if you had Al-Qaeda or ANYONE else dropping propaganda leaflets over Washington to organize a revolution against GWB, I’d bet they’d have USAF, USMC and USN all over their ass.
Now these Cessnas, were they in Cuban space or NOT?