Suggest you search the forum before asking such questions, because this topic has been done to death. But seeing as you’re new, I forgive you! and suggest you start with the following:
http://www.ringwayreports.co.uk/spottinguide.htm
Andy
Its good… Top floor of the multi-storey car park next to the terminal (parking lot in American!) is fine for viewing and photos. Call the airport cops before you go up there let them know what you’re doing and you’ll be fine. Afternoons best for long hauls. Alternatively, do try Washington National which is much closer to downtown and which is great for photos if you set yourself up in the park at the end of the runway, which is known as Gravely Point.
Andy
Nice pics… Like the idea with the monopod.
Does anyone think it ironic, given what’s happened that there appears to be a British Airways truck to the right hand side of the first picture???
ANdy
In general, it depends whether you want to spot, or photograph. At EWR or in its immediate vacinity, you will likely get major grief if you’re seen with a camera. I’m not sure how easy EWR is for just spotting, as I have no interest in spotting myself. At JFK, it is possible to spot discretely by riding the airtrain around the terminals, but its no good for photography. For photography at JFK, there are a few places in the terminals but you’re likely to get questioned there too. For photography you need a car so you can get out to places like Howard Beach (don’t think the air train takes you to the right place). Having said all of that, LGA tends to be fairly friendly – there’s some big windows in one of the terminals and as long as you call the airport police when you arrive to tell them what you’re doing, they let you alone. Likewise, a walk from the terminals alongside Grand Central Parkway either to Plane View Park or the other way for Expressway Visual arrivals will yield some fairly nice pics with little hassle likely.
As suggested above, take a look at nycaviation.com for more detailed information.
Andy
6R is not used for departures because there’s no parallel taxiway to the threshold, meaning that a/c would have to backtrack the runway before lining up. There are turning circles on the runway to allow this to happen, but it’ll really only be used for more than the odd movement when 6L is closed for some reason. Likewise, arrivals on 24L are highly unusual for the same reason – backtrack is needed after landing.
Andy
Nothing to worry about I’m sure – inbounds to LCY are controlled by Thames Radar and if the Baron was fairly close the airport that would be subject to control by Thames Radar too.
Andy
Looks like its half fallen down already! 🙂
Andy
For carrying about, the Air Britain AFQR is nice and compact and covers all of the world, whereas EuroJP and Airlines to Europe only cover their respective areas – Airlines to Europe is also published earlier in the year and is thus now more out of date than the others. On the basis of it being small and light, AFQR is my preferred choice as a quick reference book to travel with. However, as I travel with a laptop for much of the time, I actually acquire the full JP Airline Fleets on CD most years, and use that too.
Andy
Ah, but what about the AVP moving to the south side (understand planning approval now been granted for this) near to the new runway fire station, and the “low-cost-carrier” terminal to be built on the existing AVP site??? 😉
Andy
Its been around for a while now, and is known as “Salmon-Three-Salmon” 😉 The artwork was paid for by the Alaskan Salmon industry to promote their activities.
Andy
Excellent pictures – with spending time by the runways on each of my last visits to AMS, I’d forgotten how the deck had some pretty good photo opportunities too!
The first and third photo are interesting. The KLM 737 still has the old KLM/NW seal instead of the Skyteam logo. Only three planes still got them, all of them 737s.
– PH-BPC B737-406
– PH-BTH B737-306
– PH-BXL B737-8K2
Incorrect, because 744F PH-CKA has the old KL/NW seal on it too.
Andy
It’s ridiculous! The airline with the “brand” British Airways might prefer to buy an American plane with American engines instead of a partly British plane with British engines.
Rob, this really is a counter-productive argument. But you said it was rediculous, the implication CLEARLY being that you thought it was rediculous for BA to buy Boeing [747s] when it could buy Airbus [A380s]. As I said, if the playing field were TOTALLY level it might be faintly rediculous for BA to go to the US for its aircraft, but the playing field will never will be totally level. BA need to protect their own interests more than they do British manufacturing [of large airliners] – in fact, I suspect that BA employs more people in the UK than does Airbus right now, and that alone suggests they should do what’s best for BA and not what’s best for British airliner manufacturing. Xenophobia suggests putting nationalistic interests above all others – I don’t think that there’s much more to say.
Andy
The introduction of the A380 into service is interesting right now, and in many ways parallels that of the 747 going into service getting on for some 40 years ago.
Boeing had an initial rush of orders for the 747, then a rather lean spell when no one was ordering and when they had major problems getting the design sorted out and into service (engine issues being a substantial problem early in the 747 program). Add to that scepticism from some that the capacity was not needed nor could be coped with, then 747 program was fairly slow to take off. At one time, the 747 came close to breaking Boeing. But Boeing demonstrated that they could overcome the problems, and the design took off on what is approach a 40 year career, with maybe another 10 or more to come.
Now we’re going through a similar cycle with the A380, and time will tell whether it sells few more than the 159 committed to to date, or whether it becomes a bigger success. My feeling is that it will become a successful program and sell significantly more than it currently has, albeit within the constraints that the ULA market will never be as big as others. As I say, I don’t think that there will be much truely market-defining action for about another year or so, either towards or away from Airbus.
As to xenophobia, it seems reasonable to make such an accusation if one suggests airlines should place nationalistic preferences above commercial reality. On a totally level playing field, where the 747-800 was identical to the a380, nationalistic preference would be reasonable. However, there is NEVER a totally level playing field and every entirely commercially driven airline will make a true commercial decision.
Andy
The climb performance (in isolation) of the A340-300 is irrelevent, as is the patriotic argument over buying 747-800s versus A380s. Airlines that have bought A340-300s will have evaluated overall performance – climb, cruise, decent, acquisition costs, maintenance costs, crew costs, etc., etc., etc – against the overall required mission required of it and decided it meets their needs better than the alternative, just as BA will decide on the 747-800 versus the A380 (or neither) on the same basis in the fullness of time.
In recent years, BA have demonstrated an avertion to being an early adopter. Given that they have sat on the fence regarding the A380, waiting to see seems like a sensible approach right now. But likewise, jumping onto the 747-800 bandwagon now could be a mistake for BA too, given that Boeing have dismally failed to sell any passenger versions to date.
My feeling on the long-haul high-capacity market right now is that there are a number of airlines waiting to see what happens when the A380 enters service. No one is moving at present, either towards Airbus or Boeing – order books with neither are growing, so the airlines can play a waiting game. I think we will see a significant number of orders in some 12 months to 18 months from now – i.e. between mid-2007 and the end of 2007. If the A380 goes into service with early adopters relatively smoothly and delivers on its performance guarantees, I think the majority of airlines sitting on the fence will start to talk more about acquisition of the big Airbus. If however there are snags that seem to be taking time to sort out, I think a number of airlines will start talking more seriously to Boeing.
So right now, its down to Airbus to prove its aircraft. Boeing would I think be getting rather jittery now, were it not for the fact that it is cushioned to some extent by orders for the new freighter version of the 747. Time will tell… As I say, I think the big action now will come in the middle of next year.
Andy
Can anyone provide a list of current bmi longhaul destinations and a/c used?
Current disposition of the long haul bmi fleet is:
A330-1: LHR-BOM (daily)
A330-2: MAN-ORD (daily)
A330-3: MAN-LAS/MAN-ANU/MAN-BGI
7673-1: LHR-RUH/LHR-JED
bmi have recently commented that they see an opportunity for LHR-Damman (KSA) on a narrow body – maybe they’re thinking about something like the Air France Dedicate operation on one of their A319/A320s?
Andy
PS: I used to be one of bmi long haul’s biggest fans, and have flown on them MANY times. However, a combination of them dropping MAN-IAD (which was my preferred route into the US), the downgrading of cabin service in the back cabin, and even before they started charging a suggestion on at least a couple of occasions that Y-class passengers could only have two “free” beverages meant I dumped them like the proverbial hot-cakes. Now that I am entitled to travel business class long haul, that’s bmi’s loss because no way will I go back to them