Its about thirty minutes from central Phoenix, 45 minutes from Sky Harbour, about one mile south of the freeway that heads out towards Los Angeles. Do not even think about trying to get there by public transport – you need a car. Lots of views from the far side of the field from the hangars and [small] terminal. You can park on some roads away from the fence and walk across a track to the fenceline and then walk up and down the fence – much stuff is stored just the other side of that fence. You shouldn’t be hassled by cops. The only problem for photos is that the fence is high and the mesh can intrude into the cornes of pictures. I have nine photos from GYR on a.net – select the location from the drop down on the search page and enter my name (Andy Martin) in the keywords area. The first seven were taken from the fence.

Andy

PS: If you plan walking the fence, take water. It will be HOT, very HOT

A lot of closed minded opinions here. No one yet knows the exact config of the 757, yet you are all convinced its going to be a super cramped affair.

Fact – Icelandair’s Y cabin is cramped and nasty (I’ve tried it)
Fact – BD have publicly stated the config will be C10 Y167
Fact – ICE 757s are currently configed C22 Y167

From the above, it seems fairly reasonable to assume:

1. BD will reconfig ICE’s C cabib but leave ICE’s nasty Y cabin alone
2. There will be no “new economy”
3. The back cabin experience will be substantially worse than on the A330 due lack of PTVs

Furthermore, comments from a BD cabin crew member on another forum stated that when they had the ICE 757 on MAN-IAD for a short period a month or so ago, firstly they got lots of complaints from passengers and secondly they couldn’t offer the full BD transatlantic service anyway due to a lack of space in the economy galleys

Andy

What’s a “damp lease” is that a plane with soggy carpets? :p

Call yourself a total-aviation-person and you don’t know that! :rolleyes: :p

Lease with flight deck crew provided by the airline that leases out the aircraft, cabin crew provided by the airline that leases in the aircraft.

No, it’s a plane with dodgy engines that regularly flies over water and often ends up in the drink

Nah, that’s not a damp lease, its ETOPS – Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim! 😮

Andy

There should be (I’ve not seen it yet) an article that I wrote covering the history of the DC-9 with British Midland in the new issue of AI. Your remark about DC-9s was obviously a coincidence that I read more into than was intended.

Andy

I suggest they use their DC-9’s

LOL! 🙂 Has someone been reading my article in Aircraft Illustrated by chance? 😉

Andy

Well I’m pretty sure the folks in charge of BMI know what they are doing 😉

Having worked for the airline for nine years in the past, and having travelled with them regularly ever since (Gold with more than three times the mileage for gold qualification this year alone, for example), I sincerely doubt they really know what they’re doing.

A

And not the first time this has happened to an Airbus if I recall correctly…

It isn’t the first time??? :confused: News to me if its happened before!

If you’re thinking of the AA accident discussed above, then it wasn’t the rudder that detatched, it was the entire vertical stab. Whilst that may seem like splitting hairs to you, to the best of my knowledge there’s never been a suggestion that the rudder of the AA A300 detatched from the stab before the entire vertical stab came off – in fact, it might be argued that if the rudder deflections on the AA jet caused the rudder to detatch rather than the entire stab, that plane might have landed again as did the Air Transat A310.

Imho opnion they should ground all A300/310 worldwide as long as the reason is not known

That’s a rather an niave over-reaction I’m afraid. Without detailed inspection of the in-service A310 fleet to see if there are problems of a fleet-wide nature, and given that there’s no prior history of rudder detatchment in the A310 fleet, there is nothing that justifies grounding the type at this time. This could well turn out to be an isolated incident related to the specific aircraft concerned – maintenance errors or prior damage, for example, could precipitate a failure on one particular airplane but not on the rest of the fleet – and without any evidence of a recurring issue with A310 rudders a grounding order is wholely inappropriate.

Andy

Looks are irrelevent… No airline buys airplanes because they look pretty (or not). If the winglets improve efficiency to the extent where the cost of the installation is mitigated within an acceptable timeframe, they’ll be installed on the a/c. Full stop.

Andy