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  • in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2020211
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    Indian Navy boosts domestic industries

    New Delhi, India — The Indian Navy recently placed an order for 40 Kaveri marine gas turbines for its naval warships with the country’s Gas Turbine Research Establishment. By placing an additional order for 40 gas turbine generators, it has taken a quantum leap in using “Made in India” hardware rather than buying overseas.
    The navy has had grievous experiences in the past when foreign suppliers, primed by political pressures, refused hardware supplies. During the Kargil conflict with Pakistan in 1999, spare parts supplied by the United Kingdom were withheld, causing the navy much inconvenience.

    Relying on manufacturers in India is a more viable solution, especially in times of hostilities. The navy’s decision is also good news for India’s marine engineering industry.

    The Kaveri gas turbines were extensively tested for two years in naval facilities and they were shown to meet all the requirements of warships at sea. Warships generally run on regular diesel engines, but the Kaveri gas turbines provide more power, or “boost,” required for maneuvering in battle.

    The gas turbine generators also have a valuable civilian spin off, as the rugged machines can be used to provide power in far-flung villages that are not connected to the nation’s electricity grid.

    In the naval aviation field, a light combat aircraft produced by Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics – an indigenous public-sector company – has been approved for induction, with orders for six aircraft. The aircraft is a version of the Russian-built Sukhoi MK1.

    In addition, the multirole Shivalik-class frigate with stealth features is the first such warship built in India. It is made by the Mumbai-based Mazagaon Dock Limited, a public sector company. The navy will induct 17 of these frigates, planned for manufacture in various batches. The lead vessel is scheduled for commissioning in November.

    The Indian Navy’s maritime tradition underwent a renaissance with the acquisition of modern ships in 1959 and 1960. One such acquisition was the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant.

    The growth of India’s merchant marine also accelerated after 1950. But involvement in global trade is based on sealift capability for exports and imports; in this the merchant marine falls short.

    India’s merchant marine currently carries barely 10 percent of the country’s imports and exports, although it should be closer to 40 percent. A drastic overhaul is needed in the country’s shipping industry, as was done for the information technology industry. By most conservative estimates the acquisition of each ship creates 50 jobs directly associated with the vessel and about 100 more in spinoffs in shipping-related services.

    India has graduated to the level of a “builder” shipping power, making ships in its own yards. This gives a significant boost to the country’s industrial base. Industries like steel, commercial electronics, crane builders, shipyards for repair and replacement, as well as training institutes for welders, carpenters, plumbers, technicians and naval architects, plus insurance and financial specialists, are required in large numbers. Such a build-up leads to the nation becoming a maritime power. Security is then necessary to protect the fleet of ships and infrastructure.

    Since 1972, the Indian Navy has built its own ships. The Leander-class frigates, later updated to the Nilgiri class, with the lead ship the INS Nilgiri, was inducted into service then. The slow pace was accelerated in 1980 under the former chief of naval staff, Admiral Oscar Dawson and his deputy, Vice Admiral S.L. Sethi.

    Project Seabird, an initiative to develop a blue water navy – a maritime force capable of operating across the deep waters of open oceans – was envisioned by Dawson during the same time but adopted only in the late 1990s.

    The first phase was completed in 2005 with the construction of a new naval base at Karwar in Karnataka state. Other maritime bases under the project in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and Lakshadweep are well into their completion phases in 2009.

    India’s political leadership has realized the need for such plans and has unstintingly provided resources to the naval admiralty. The commissioning of India’s first nuclear-powered submarine, the INS Arihant, in July, the induction of the Delhi-class of destroyers – India’s largest warships built in the country – the aircraft carrier program, long-range anti-submarine warfare aircraft, heavy lift anti-submarine warfare Commando helicopters, Dornier medium-range search-and-rescue aircraft, landing-ship tanks, survey ships and training ships are the final fruits of plans envisioned and executed so far.

    Ocean monitoring is also essential to keep an eye on any foreign naval build-up in the region. The launch of India’s remote sensing satellites Oceansat 1 and Oceansat 2 will provide comprehensive cover for the Indian Ocean until 2015.

    India needs strong growth and development for at least the next five decades to pull its rural population out of poverty. Peaceful and tranquil borders are also important to secure the nation in pursuit of this goal. Maritime India offers a strong magnet for India’s industrial growth and security.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2020212
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    Navy shepherds fishermen back to Indian waters

    Bhuj: The Indian Navy on Monday nabbed two trawlers from Porbandar while they were fishing 9 kms into Pakistani waters after crossing the International Maritime Boundary Line, about 15 kms from the fishing port of Jakhau.

    The boats, with their 13 crew members, were brought to the Jakhau port in a small craft by the Navy and the fishermen were handed over to the Kutch police for further action against them.

    Sources in security agencies said that normally any fisherman caught this way was brought ashore by the Coast Guard. The fact that this was done by the Navy this time indicates the seriousness with which the agency has taken the matter.

    This was not a solitary case of its kind. Fishermen from Saurashtra coast very often cross over to Pakistani waters, lured by the prospects of a good catch. Last month, as many as 100 Indian fishing boats were shepherded back to Indian waters while they were fishing five to ten kms inside Pakistani waters. “Luckily for these fishermen, they were sent back to Indian waters before they were caught by the Pakistani Marine Agency that patrols their side of the international maritime boundary line,” a senior official in an Indian marine security agency told this paper on Thursday.

    Sources said this was a very serious matter and the Coast Guard, which had taken up the matter with the state government several times earlier, will do so again to seek immediate concrete measures by the state government to stop the practice.

    They said whenever Indian fishermen are shepherded by the Navy or the Coast guard from Pakistan waters, they take the excuse that they had inadvertently strayed into the neighbouring country’s water. Often, this is a lie as many fishermen are found to be possessing GPS (global positioning system) to guide them in high sea.

    The sources added that in such instances, the state government should take action both against fishermen and the boat owners.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2020214
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    Chinese anti-submarine choppers inducted in Pak Navy

    Karachi, Oct.1 (ANI): The Pakistani Navy, which has acquired six Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) helicopters, Z9EC, from China, inducted the first batch of three such anti-submarine choppers into the Navy on Wednesday.

    Several top officials including Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir and Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Luo Zhao Hui attended the induction ceremony in Karachi, The News reported.

    Interacting with media person on the sidelines of the function, Admiral Bashir said the Pakistan Navy is prepared for all challenges and that it was necessary to upgrade the naval forces in the face of intense activities in the Indian Ocean.

    “These days Indian Ocean is experiencing intense activity and around 100 ships from different countries are operating at all times for safeguarding their interests. These extraordinary developments are indicator of importance of trade routes in these waters. Pakistan Navy is also conducting continuous deployment of ships and aircraft to guarantee guarding the country’s maritime interests,” Admiral Bashir said.

    he Z9EC helicopters have been specially built according to specific requirements of the Pakistan Navy and are capable of detecting and destroying submarines.

    They are also capable of carrying torpedoes, fitted with sophisticated Pulse Compression Radar, Low Frequency Dipping Sonar, Radar Warning Receiver and Doppler Navigation System. (ANI)

    in reply to: The Brand New IAF Thread (VIII) – Flamers NOT Welcome. #2435212
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    You can’t shoot down Naxals, govt tells IAF

    NEW DELHI: The centre has rejected a proposal for allowing Indian Air Force personnel to fire at Left-wing extremists. Sources said that the
    government was clear on its policy to restrict the role of IAF in anti-Naxal operations to evacuation, rescue and airlifting of the civilian security forces.

    MHA was against engaging either the Army or IAF in the fight against Naxalites as it felt that this may only alienate the tribals further. Besides, the civilian forces are seen to be handling the human issues relating to Left-wing extremism with more tact, as compared to the military which is trained to take on the ‘enemy’ with full force and might.

    Even though the home ministry had earlier considered engaging Rashtriya Rifles in the counter-Naxal operations, the option was ruled out after the view emerged that the Maoists are best handled by civilians forces like CRPF and BSF, who are at the state’s disposal and work jointly with the police, even as the Army must concentrate on the borders.

    The option of engaging the armed forces in the fight against Naxalites, including the big offensive coming up in November, was also shot down by the affected states.

    Chhattisgarh chief minister Raman Singh had opposed the proposal for armed forces’ involvement in countering extremism saying that it could lead to human rights issues as the Army personnel are trained to take on the ‘enemy’ with full force as in a battle.

    Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik had on Thursday said that the Air Force has sought permission to open fire in self-defence after one of the air warriors was killed by Maoists. He expressed worries about collateral damage.

    However, defence minister A K Antony had said the government was yet to take a decision on it. Meanwhile, CPI on Friday opposed any use of the Army or Air Force in anti-Naxal operations saying it would have repercussions.

    Alleging that the government had ‘almost inducted’ the Army to fight Maoists, party general secretary A B Bardhan said there was information that CRPF’s logistics were being monitored by the Army.

    “The Army should not be used to fight a war against our own people. The Indian Air Force is also being mobilised,” he said addressing a press conference after a meeting here of his party’s national executive.

    Though the government has ruled out using the armed forces directly in operations against Naxals, CPI leader said the Army was already calling the shots.

    “In the name of fighting Left extremism, which the prime minister has called the greatest threat to India, they have almost inducted the Army to fight Naxalites. This is unprecedented. The police should do the job,” Mr Bardhan said.

    Asked if this would be his position if Army was sent into Lalgarh, he shot back “yes, I will oppose Army being used anywhere.” Mr Bardhan said that four or five districts in Bastar were surrounded by paramilitary forces. He also alleged that the operations were directed at anyone shouting “lal salaam”, which was also a Left slogan.

    “Its a war of extermination against those who hold the red banner,” he said.

    in reply to: The Brand New IAF Thread (VIII) – Flamers NOT Welcome. #2435224
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    India’s Next Ab-initio Trainer Competition
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    Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal PV Naik announced yesterday that the government would soon be putting out a tender for 80 ab-initio trainer airplanes. The six airplanes shown above are understood to be the tentative contenders for the competition. An additional 80-100 are to be of a type (HTT-40) developed and manufactured independently by HAL. HAL has, incidentally, put out its own RFI to all the above airplanes’ manufacturers for a technical assistance/JV tie-up for the indigenous ab-initio trainer that will succeed the highly faulty HPT-32. For now, to the great consternation of the families of a lot of pilot cadets, an Air Vice Marshal of the Indian Air Force is studying the feasibility of conducting a quick stop-gap refurbishment of the HPT-32 fleet to push them for four-five years more.

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    Something I noticed in recent IAF competitons. 6 bidders for MRCA, 6 bidders for Advanced Trainer now 6 bidders for basic trainers. I think there are 6-7 bidders for the Attack chopper tender as well (Kamov,Mil,Eurocopter,Bell,Boeing,AW,Sikorsky)

    I :diablo: Tucano

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion III #2435234
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    Are you aware of the fact that the Finance Ministry has opposed the IAF’s selection of the A-330 MRTT instead of the Il-78 Midas tanker transport on the grounds of cost ? I think that safely rules out the Typhoon which will definitely be the most expensive of all the MRCA candidates as well as the one with the least bit of A2G maturity.

    Opposed doesn’t mean they will not get it. The article clearly stated there would be delays. Pranab is a bit tight with his wallet. Yes it will rule out Rafale as well I believe.

    And matt don’t be a ‘panic-mechanic’ with respect to china. If they want to attack us they can do now, we have no MRCA only hundred odd MKIs and so and so. I for one will not wait till my enemy is capable with more fighters, Longer range missiles, Nuclear Subs and fusion weapons. China is not the China of Mao, differences aside she is a responsible global player, and whatever MRCA will get will add to the deterrence we have got.

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion III #2435369
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    Honnestly, the question is more “Do you think the contact will be signed before 2014 ?”

    For such a deal, any competitor would integrate any AAM missile you want.

    Contract will be signed in 2011.

    I am not sure Americans will integrate Russian missiles.

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion III #2435398
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    Let us explore your logic shall we.

    The Indian Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik goes:
    “Blast! I’m bored out of my mind with our Russian made Fighters! I want some diversify, something that sparkle a bit more.. Hek i think we’ll go for some US made fighters in the MMRCA tender.. Isn’t that a splended plan?
    — Yes sir
    !”:rolleyes:

    Never mind logistic problems which will increase the cost for having multiple weapons systems/platforms in the IAF.

    Diversity in the A2A & A2G are logical, but not the way you points out.
    I think you are very much mistaken what the IAF want..

    The Mig-35 are not being produced now, so why couldn’t it get better avionics suite and better radars by the time its ready for delivery?
    And the IAF would have to pay up regardless which fighter if they want to upgrade..

    Let us all try very hard to disregard this fact, and the tender looks much better for all other parties…;)

    Thanks

    Because IAF had never in the past put all its eggs in the same basket. I would think that trend will continue, and if we go by the logic of recent acquisition it do seem to be favoring the west (C 130, A330 MRTT, Cancelled Attack Chopper RFI to include Boeing and Bell, C 17 being the choice of strategic airlifter, CH 47 being considered to replace Mi 26s etc.). Some types in the IAF are set to retire in the near-near-distant future so the logistics issues of having too many types is a bit over hyped.

    IAF would not have to pay for development for a future upgrade of a SH for the BLOCK 3 standard because its already being developed for the USN. It will have to pay for the upgrade. In the case of the MIG it would probably have to pay for development as well. 😉

    in reply to: 36 Dassault Rafale for Brasil – Official #2435479
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    Actually not. EMBRAER has no saying in the final decision. They can voice their opinion but that is where it ends.

    Well its a farcry from the point where they were saying the Rafale is selected. If they lose this then I think their last resort is the UAE deal, which I think will definitely happen.

    Well if its SAAB influencing Embarer then it only shows how bad Dassault is in doing things like this. We saw similar things on the Indian deal where there was news that Rafale is out of competition. Arthuro I think you should change the guys who do the marketing for Dassault.

    And the last SAAB press release campain against the F35 didn’t changed the final outcome no ? Same strategy when you are the outsider.

    Totally different scenario that. The F-35 is a fifth gen fighter and the Norwegians had invested in its development.

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion III #2435494
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    Those two points are depended of the question WHEN IAF will get the first plane.
    But I think you’re really too optimistic if you think that anything can happen before 2015.

    I expect it to be delivered in 2014 (first jets). But should one be expected to buy a typhoon, Rafale, Gripen with AIM 120 or MICA and then go for Meteor when its released. May be we should have them with only WVRAAM and wait for the Meteor. 😉

    According to WIKI and other sources F-16 is cleared for MICA, I think both the American jets can be fitted with European AAMs if we pay for the integration.

    SAAB says they will integrate weapons of our choice. R 73 and R 77 ? :diablo:

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion III #2435499
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    Good **** Jason:).
    The slow speed handeling on the SH are indeed impressive, even with all the payload.
    But when climbing up in the speed regime the SH lose the advantage and falls under the other contenders in the MMRCA tender.

    But that’s ok, there will always be some compromizes when developing fighters.

    The SH have a good ballanced A2A & A2G capabillities.

    Anyways there are no getting around that the ToT and Price-tag will over rule the pure performance on the Contenders in the MMRCA.
    Remember that the growt path are allso important here.
    When it adding up Tot, Price & Growt path possibility the Mig-35 will undress the other contenders.. now get over it.:diablo:

    Thanks

    I think you are a bit wrong here. The IAF having a fleet full of Russian fighters and going for more Su 30s and FGFA in the future, will be keen to diversify. The minimum level of ToT is all that counts and everyone has complied with it. Mig-35 growth path is certainly not superior to any of the MRCA contenders. There is actually a block III upgrade plan for the F/A 18 E/F and in LMs Viper site you can see a page for the future options in the Falcon. The Rafale and EF being the mainstays of European fleets will be upgraded as well. The MIG-35 sadly do not have any export customers and even the Russians are not to bothered. Even if they buy a handful of these birds they will not be first priority for future upgrades, meaning that the IAF will probably have to pay out of its own pocket for upgrading these birds at a future date.

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion III #2435653
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    Yah well, no-one’s perfect… 🙂

    From a certain POV, he is correct, given the avionics and some of the sensor systems were developed for the Block II Super, directly from the failed X-32 JSF entrant.

    Still, even I think calling the fighter as a whole “5th Gen” is a bit of a stretch. My original point was confirmed however, I think.

    Cheers.

    To his defense I think he is using the term fifth generation for 4++ generation fighters as he clearly mentions other ‘fifth generation fighters’ performing impressive maneuvers with a non combat configuration. I think he is mentioning advanced Russian types there. The video is copyrighted to 2004, so yes i can understand.

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    IAF wants 50 more Sukhois to counter China, Pakistan

    NEW DELHI: With both China and Pakistan bolstering their air combat fleets, IAF is now seeking another 50 Sukhoi-30MKI multi-role “air dominance”
    fighters to cater for any contingency on both the eastern and western fronts. These 50 new Sukhois will in addition to the 230 of these twin-seater fighters already contracted from Russia in three deals worth upwards of $8.5 billion.

    Having inducted 105 of the 230 Sukhois till now, IAF has already begun to base these jets in the North-East in a clear move to counter China’s rapid modernisation of its armed forces. Incidentally, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd has been directed to complete the manufacture of 140 of the 230 Sukhois under transfer of technology by 2015 at all costs.

    India’s “dissuasive deterrence” military posture against China, after all, revolves around the Sukhois as well as the 3,500km nuclear-capable Agni-III missile, which will be ready for operational deployment by 2011, and the 5,000km range Agni-V missile in the pipeline.

    IAF chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik confirmed to TOI on Thursday that his force was indeed “interested” in acquiring more Sukhois, which will be the mainstay of India’s fighter fleet for the forseeable future, to further enhance its combat potential.

    Bombarded by a spate of questions on the military equation vis-a-vis China on day the People’s Liberation Army showcased its staggering military might to mark 60 years of communism, ACM Naik said IAF’s acquisition of combat capabilities was not “country or adversary-specific”. While exuding “confidence” that a repeat of the 1962 conflict was simply “not possible”, the IAF chief said, “We need to develop certain capabilities which are required or will be required in the future in tune with India’s aspirations.”
    IAF, after all, needs to project power as well as have “strategic reach” from Hormuz Strait near Persian Gulf right down to Malacca Strait, which India visualises as its primary area of geopolitical interest. In its quest to emerge as a “strategic aerospace force”, IAF has embarked on a major modernisation drive, which ranges from Israeli AWACS and aerostat radars to American C-130J ‘Super Hercules’ aircraft.

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    Looks like the French have managed to screw up another contract.

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    India’s N-submarine undermines strategic stability: Pakistan

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Thursday said that the recent launch of a nuclear-powered submarine by India has
    undermined strategic stability in the region.

    “We are opposed to nuclear proliferation as well as an arms race in the region,” he said, adding that Pakistan believes the launch of the Indian nuclear-powered submarine will affect strategic stability.

    Pakistan has proposed a “strategic restraint regime” to India with the three inter-locking principles of dispute settlement, conventional balance and nuclear and missile restraint, Qureshi said in his address at the Los Angeles World Affairs Congress.

    “Our friends should encourage India to sign on to the proposed strategic restraint regime to guarantee strategic stability in our region,” he said. Peace and security are inextricably linked and strategic stability in South Asia is critical for sustainable peace, he added.

    India launched its first nuclear-powered submarine named Arihant in July. Built with Russian cooperation, the submarine will form the crucial third leg of India’s triad of land, air and sea platforms capable of delivering nuclear weapons. India already has warplanes and missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

    Pakistan’s nuclear capability was developed in self- defence following the Indian nuclear test in 1974, which disrupted the security balance in South Asia, Qureshi said. “The establishment of deterrence then became important.”

    Qureshi said Pakistan adheres to a doctrine of credible minimum deterrence as a nuclear weapon state. The country’s regional policy is based on promoting dialogue for peaceful settlement of disputes, he said.

    Regional cooperation can be strengthened through trade, investment and people-to-people to contacts, he said.

    Referring to Pakistan’s relations with the US, Qureshi sought Washington’s support for curbing terrorism and extremism.

    He said the partnership between the two countries should be based on mutual trust and mutual respect “that is not transactional, but is enduring and multi-faceted, spanning trade and economy, defence and security, health and education, science and technology and counter-terrorism and non-proliferation”.

    The Kerry-Lugar Bill, he said, is a step forward in strengthening the strategic partnership.

    “The 1.5 billion dollars annually in non-military assistance for a sustained period of five years should have a positive impact on the lives of the people,” he said.

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