Being sold a version of an aircraft whoes capabilities are in question in the first place does not mean you have something world leading.

F/A-18 E/F overweight version of its younger brother with poor aeroperformance and structural issues, designed for carrier deck landing.

Whoop ti dooo india is being sold the most advanced version of the F-16! Also lets see the aircraft before you say its more advanced then the UAE one. Were are not being offered the F-16XL or X-31. No matter how much I “pimp” my mountain bike its still a mountain bike I wouldnt take it to a race against a Duccatti!

with the rest, until India gets it and it proves to be more advanced then the saudis their is no point in commenting.

Rafale F3, troubled programme which urgently needs sales to keep its production lines profitable. Not world leading..

As for the Eurofighter, how would it be more advanced then the Saudis’ Eurofighters? And how many minutes do you think it will last befire the Saudis spend a few more billions and get an upgrade?

F/A-18 E/F overweight version of its younger brother with poor aeroperformance and structural issues, designed for carrier deck landing.

It is a more than capable fighter with excellent strike capability. The Australians have ordered it because its very good, unless you want to believe Aussie Airpower idiots.

Whoop ti dooo india is being sold the most advanced version of the F-16! Also lets see the aircraft before you say its more advanced then the UAE one. Were are not being offered the F-16XL or X-31. No matter how much I “pimp” my mountain bike its still a mountain bike I wouldnt take it to a race against a Duccatti!

Watch Fast an the furious where the ‘pimped up’ Toyota Supra beats the Ferrari :diablo: Also many custom built bikes can beat any Duccatti, if you are willing to get the right components.

Rafale F3, troubled programme which urgently needs sales to keep its production lines profitable. Not world leading..

Please give me one source that says the Rafale production line is going to be closed unless it wins a major deal. It is the best all rounder in the MRCA.

As for the Eurofighter, how would it be more advanced then the Saudis’ Eurofighters? And how many minutes do you think it will last befire the Saudis spend a few more billions and get an upgrade?[

If the saudis can improve it so can we. Do you think the Spending power of India by the time it needs an MLU is going to be any less than these gulf states ??

name some technologies India has been given by the west which is truely world leading..

The F 18 E/F offered to the IAF is the same version as the one operated by USN, Boeing is already marketing Growler lite ( without EA ) and considers India as a potential export customer. None of the European AF have a comparable platform.

The F 16IN will be the most advanced F 16 ever better than the UAE one.

The Eurofighter Nations are offering India full program partnership, something they didn’t even consider with regards to the Saudis, so if India selected the types the next tranches will probably have a lot of Indian inputs. It will be equal to the European versions and better than Saudi ones.

The Rafale F3 is offered with 100% ToT according to the Dassault V.P sales, :diablo:

The Gripen IN will be better than any Gripen currently in service :rolleyes:

Matt its you who need to wake up. tak tak tak 😎

F-35B is a good fighter but it will be a nightmare for IN to maintain logistics for four different types of ship-born fighters…. Mig-29K, N-LCA, N-FGFA and F-35B. While the first three will not be a major problem because of their common origin. But F-35 is a new issue… Above all, why IN will go for F-35 when they have FGFA??!!! STOVL?? They already projected Mig-29K and N-LCA as their future ship-born fighters. Both of them are CTOL, not STOVL.

Ie. If the IN goes for the Navalised PAK FA if it goes for the F 35, then the above said logistics problems will not exist. STOVL will be able to carry nearly as much payload as a CTOL fighter from a catapult, while a CTOL from a ski jump will carry much less.

They also were the main cause for Japan Surrender………Clearly, a Russian view with little bases in fact.

America fought the Japanese almost single handedly (with an exception with British in the Burmeese campaign). But the European theater was more of a soviet victory.

The answer is a big YES, because he got infos from different sources to make up his mind.

No and no journalist has as much knowledge about a plane as the Air Force which operates them. You pay ur taxes don’t mean you get access to everything. You and Sweetman know what they want you to know and thats it 🙂

Well the number of chickens are roughly the same, the breed is the only question 🙂

anti climax, you don’t know what access to information he has, you are making assumptions. They may or may not be accurate, the bottom line is you don’t know. Basing your opinion on an unknown as big as that is foolish.

No airforce other than the US has actually commited to buy the aircraft, so to state “Air Forces which chose the plane” could be construed as stretching the truth in some lights. It might, again i say might, turn out that the F35 doesn’t get purchased by anybody but the US, very unlikely but stranger things have happened at sea..then where are you left with your assertations re the aircraft?

I will say its a safer bet me saying that he don’t have any access as he is a civilian, than him making his bizarre claims based on what is out in the public realm.

The U.K is committed to the F 35 both the Royal Navy and RAF are and did the Norwegians not select the F 35 after evaluating it with the Gripen NG. The Dutch will soon follow (if they have not already). Italy built the Cavour with the F 35 in mind….so there you go your might possibility does not exist. 😀

The F 35 is going to prevail and be a success story, If i remember correctly many in this very forum doubted the F 22 😉 I would say many well respected users. I am saving all this to show you when the F 35 proves ya’ll wrong like the Raptor did.

I’ve never claimed that the US shouldn’t exercise strict controls over its military exports – quite the opposite. If I were them I’d be desperately scrambling to keep the major technical advantage separating my combat aircraft from those of anyone else’s as tightly controlled as possible too. I was simply noting that to claim an F-35 sale to India would have no ToT issues, as you were implying, was demonstrably not true given that there have been strong ToT issues even with the closest ally in the project.

I think the F 35 has a chance in Indian Navy mainly because of two reasons.

1. Navy do not operate as many aircraft.

2. The order will be small interms of numbers, so there is no sense in starting a production line or asking for it (we didn’t in the case of Mig 29Ks).

3. The F 35B is unique because of its STOVL capability, the other available options do not have the capability so its a question of the Navy having a history of operating similar aicraft (the Harrier) considers this as a key.

4. The Final 2 IACs (the fourth and fifth) will be ships of higher tonnage (over 60K tons) and may have Nuclear propulsion, a CTOL aircraft like the naval Pak FA or MCA may be much better on a larger ship with possible catapults while the older smaller IACs (1-3) can use the F 35B.

5. The Vikramaditya deal and the price issue regarding the additional Mig 29Ks will all eventually have a decisive effect.