You’re skirting around that the US tortures people which is against the law yet there are people defending it as not criminal. So the Chinese can argue the same.

1. I don’t represent the U.S.

2. There were outcries from the onset about the Gbay and other facilities in the United States. The Obama government has suspended trials and will all but close the facility.

3. Where there any outcries in China about the government’s lack of respect for IP rights in copying a Russian plain. Can they (we) expect a change in government and a reversal of policy.

4. Copying a Russian plane is the issue and that is countered with American rights abuses :rolleyes:

Again you guys don’t get it. That’s your logic. I’m working with the logic applied to the Chinese. Now all of the sudden when it doesn’t work in your favor, the logic doesn’t apply? How convenient.

And according to you since there were no laws that said slaughtering the Native Americans was forbidden, it must have been all right then and no one should bring it up. How about the US torturing prisoners at Gitmo. There are laws that say that’s forbidden and yet no one is really going to be punished in a way they deserve.

Yes the slaughtering (really) of native Americans. The slaughtering of the Aborigines, Slavery, slave labour for building national defenses (like a big wall for eg.) etc were normal during that age. So was copying gun powder tech and crossbow designs.

The same rules do not apply now. And this is not even like stealing the tech, its like stealing the design to make a 1:1 copy. :rolleyes:

Rocket engines, pal! Where would fighters be without the Chinese inventing the rocket? :diablo:

Its a poor argument. The laws were established way after that. During the time slavery was legal so was many things that is considered uncivilized these days.

There were caucasion mummies found in the far Western part of China said to be at least two thousand years old. There are those claiming that proves everything China invented actually came from the West. In a Discovery Channel documentary they’re even claiming the West gave the Chinese the wheel. But according to everyone here the Chinese never invented anything and stole everything in the first place. This wouldn’t be a revelation or news if this is already known yet they’re acting as if it is. Which means they were lying all the time.

Yeah now all of the sudden far-fetched logic works when it’s to their advantage.

Actually China did invent a lot of things. Paper, Gunpowder, Rockets etc are a few examples. But you are saying because the west got all this from China they can rip off western products and Russian fighters in the 21st century.

That argument is rather poor because of the above said reasons.

The only one with insecurity issues is you, and the reason you are so quick to jump to completely illogical conclusions and go off on random rants is nothing more then you projecting your own problems on others.

China does not copy stuff as you or a child might copy someone else’s sentient and repeat them regardless of appropriateness, China merely refuses to do the vain thing and re-invent the wheel just in order to make superficial changes to pass a copy off as something original. Instead Chinese engineers choose to focus their time and resources improving on the original. That is a sign of maturity and self confidence, not incompetence and a lack of imagination as those with ulterior motives desperately tries to make it out as at every opportunity.

The design of an aircraft is the hardest part. Once an aircraft is designed and successfully tested most of the work is done. Hence making slight structural changes (where ? in the case of J11) and different avionics will not make a new aircraft.

It is a blatant violation of IP rights and is done with ulterior motives. It is a sign of lack of self belief in designing and making a new fighter.

Numbers, AWACS etc. Do not discount the value of AWACS Datalink and other force multipliers. Things Iraq and Serbia could hardly dream of doing.

Now about the capabilities of PAK FA and whether the Americans think Russia is capable of it.

There is a very biased programme on History called Dogfights of the 20th Century. Many of their consultants are serving and retired American airmen. Now even in that programme this American experts admit that they have absolutely no doubts that Russia is capable of delivering something that would match the Raptor. They only say that the U.S not being a threat to Russia is one of the reasons they haven’t built one yet.

I really don’t think many in the USAF doubt the PAK FA will be at least nearly as capable as the Raptor.

Israel
USAF
USN
among others have had pretty good success with their weapons

Apart from the Israel Arab conflicts (Arabs will even lose with Raptors), the US and its NATO allies both had superiority in numbers, early warning and networking centric assets. So its hardly a level playing field.

The best scenario would be when Russian equipment meet American/Western equipment in a war between non-russian and non-western operators.

In that sense the Russians weapons are not that bad. During India Pakistan War of 71 MIG 21s really proved their worth 😎

Engine is American. There is no two ways about it. Engine is a handicap, i remember the Yanks not giving us F 404s when we exploded em nukes.