There is one way to split the order and still reduce the number of aircraft in IAF and that is to let the navy order a different type.
I am not sure i got you there. The NAVY is not part of the MRCA. It is getting its batch of Mig 29 Ks and an additional batch is under consideration. The N-LCA is the other aircraft. So far Navy has not expressed interest in any other aircraft.
The current N LCA can be a test platform then. I do not think it will be suited for Naval roles as one of the major flaws of the LCA MK1 is its reduced performance at sea level.
The other half is going to be phased out by the next decade or so. Atleast that remains the plan. I cannot envisage LCA. MMRCA and PAK FA entering service without retiring the Mig 29s and Mirage 2000s. In the case of the M2Ks whatever we get will be old and refurbrished its good as a stopgap but not ideal as the MRCA.
The ACMs reduction of types to three or four ( he clearly stated this in an interview to Aviation week) and he also mentioned the types as MKI MRCA and LCA.

Well, many claim that the Rafale has not won a export order. So, far because of the high price??????:confused:
May be because it was competing with cheaper jets. And in the Korean Case the F 15 K was probably as expensive as the Rafale if not more. Being a matured platform helped the eagle.
Don’t think there would be much difference between F 18 and Rafale while EF may cost more.
USS. The ACM is talking about reducing types all the time, I do not think there will be a split order. Tyagi is the former ACM Major is committed to 126 jets and fewer types.
Apart from the obvious unreliability of the reporter, he doesn’t even claim that it will have the Zhuk AE. He says that the second batch will now be offered with the Zhuk AE. i.e. he isn’t saying that the Zhuk AE has been ordered, or even offered, but that an offer will be made. Presumably, if the offer is made & accepted, it would affect the price, & probably the delivery schedule. The price he quotes is the original price (with some faulty arithmetic), before this hypothetical (so far) change of radar. Somehow, I doubt that MiG would, out of the goodness of their hearts, offer a significant upgrade to aircraft already ordered without wanting anything for it.
BTW – page 14 – Selex are “discussing new radars with the Gripen team” – and that’s a quote from Selex, not a journalists opinion. In the light of that, I wonder how Thales executives & shareholders would react to pressure from Dassault to withdraw from co-operation with Saab?
There is one simple reason behind it. Its not because of good of heart. That reason is that the optional purchases of additional Mig 29 Ks are not going as well as planned with a price hike, so throw the AESA into the equation and one would assume that both parties will be happy.
The Reality will be like this MKI, MMRCA, LCA. The PAK FA will replace the MKIs the MCA will replace the jags and Mirages when and if it enters service.
I will bet my life on it that MRCA won’t be scrapped.
The difference is that the Naval LCA will need strengthend under carriage etc for carrier operations. So in effect the Naval and Land versions will be different more akin to the Rafale and Rafale M.
While Boeing offers the Super Hornet which is designed for Carrier ops as is to customers. Its still a great plane 🙂 but could have that added weight.
I think the typhoon will be the most expensive followed by the Rafale and Super Hornet. The MiG and Gripen would be the cheapest.
I hope they don’t fail in the field trials. 🙂
LCA naval version to fly this year
By Kalyan Ray, DH News Service, Bangalore:
The first prototype of the naval version of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is expected to fly towards the end of 2009.Within a few months of the first flight, a second prototype of the naval LCA will also take to the skies, P S Subramanyam, director of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Bangalore, which is developing the fighter, told Deccan Herald here.
The first version of the naval LCA will be a twin-seater trainer version, whereas the second naval LCA will be a fighter. Both are mark-I versions with limited capabilities and additional weight.
A mark-II variation of the naval LCA is also under development and scheduled to be realised by 2014-15, Subramanyam said.
The naval LCA, meant for future aircraft carriers, will have arrester-hooks using which a fighter plan can land on the dock, and immediately come to a complete halt. The existing Indian aircraft carrier INS Virat does not use this technology. instead it uses traditional ramps for take-off and landing.
But future carriers, including INS Vikramaditya (Admiral Gorshkov) and the indigenous aircraft carrier, will have arrester-hook. While the former will have MiG-29K as the on-board fighters, the choice is wide open for the indigenous carrier.
Interestingly, even before the first flight of the naval LCA, the navy has agreed to invest 30 per cent of the development cost for the LCA mark-II naval version, he said.
Test facility
For testing the LCA naval mark-II version, ADA is developing a three km long shore-based test facility in Goa which will take another three years to complete.
Once INS Vikramaditya is inducted in the navy, naval LCA will also have to undergo a carrier compatibility test on-board. Intensive testings are required to improved the mark-II version. Developmental work for the naval LCA was sanctioned in 2002, and nearly Rs 1000 crore sanctioned, in 2003-04. The naval version will have the same weapon package as the air force version.
The mark-II version of LCA for the Indian Air Force, Subramanyam said, is also under development as IAF would eventually require five squadrons of the upgraded plane with a more powerful engine, better aerodynamics and advanced avionics.
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd will develop eight early technology demonstrators, 12 trainers and 20 fighters of LCA mark-I before producing 40 mark-II LCA, HAL chairman and managing director Ashok Baweja said on Thursday.
All mark-I planes which impressed everybody – including defence minister A K Antony – with their manoeuvres in the air show, are expected to be inducted by 2014. HAL is setting up two assembly lines for manufacturing LCA from 2011 at a rate of eight aircraft every year, Subramanyam informed.
http://deccanherald.com/Content/Feb142009/state20090214118430.asp
How many are equiped with the latest AESA radar. The answer is very few. The export versions are not equipped with them like the F15 K. It has its benefits like you said higher range and payload. I think the latest European fighters atleast equal it. If the Americans were so comfortable with it then they had no need to go for the Raptor and JSF.
some good news…
Full squadron strength in eight years: Air Chief
K.V. Prasad
By 2010, IAF will have integrated command
IAF will launch own satellite by 2010
Pakistan having F-16s not an issue: Air Chief
BANGALORE: Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major on Thursday said the Indian Air Force would have its full sanctioned strength of 39 squadrons in eight years and asserted that operating at lesser strength did not compromise its fighting edge.
“The programme of phasing out, upgrading and induction is being carried out in a concerted manner without losing the combat edge. We should be able to reach 39 squadrons by 2017 and will have what we want and more by 2020,” the Air Chief said at a press conference here. All air forces in the world went through this process, he pointed out.
Emphasising that technology was at the core of any air force, he said there was a conscious move to reduce different kinds of aircraft from the present varied inventory so that ultimately, the IAF would have fewer kinds of combat and transport aircraft and helicopters. This was essential for better management of both the aircraft and weapon systems as it was a challenge to manage and maintain a varied inventory.
By this June, the IAF would connect all its 165 operational and other nodes through a secure fibre optic network while work on the voice and data net was also progressing well. By 2010, the IAF would have integrated command and control systems linking its entire operational data links to network platforms sensors, command and controls. The IAF would launch its own satellite by mid-2010.
Asked about the preparedness of the IAF in the wake of reports of China building infrastructure across the Indian borders, he said: “We have our force deployment in a manner which caters for all likely adversaries in a situation of low intensity conflict.”
To a question how the IAF looked at Pakistan having F-16, he said it was not an issue as he knew what Pakistan’s F-16 was capable of. It was not the aircraft but the type of equipment, including weapon systems, that was important and the capacity to tweak the system, exploit it and employ tactics.
RadarsHe admitted there were gaps on low-level radars in the country but the IAF had them in key areas.
As for the threat perception from unused airfields in the country, he said it was for the respective State governments to keep surveillance.
On the Light Combat Aircraft, he said trials in cold weather and weapons firing were over and it should be operational by late 2010 or early 2011. The IAF had placed an order with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for 40 indigenous LCA ‘Tejas.’
http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/15/stories/2009021555181100.htm .
Whatever be the case, in my view, the F-15 Strike Eagle is the world’s best fighter jet in the 4 and 4++ generations. It “beats” one & all. It also doesn’t have “fashionable” canards on it. They may seem to be a “Euro-fad” only.
Seems rather petty.
Would love to see the F 15Es doing against the MKI or EF. Not a big fan of Euro Canards but saying the F 15E tops all 4++ is even beyond me.
The sad thing is the Russians must keep on selling the Chinese stuff as its one of their main markets.
I have a doubt though, that if conventional designs + ew is just as good as fifth gen stealth designs, then why is it that other countries namely Russia, China, India etc following the American path and going for structural stealth. Rather than investing on EW and conventional designs.
But you may be right hat conventional designs are going to be here for at least a few decades to come.
I believe we would have had the Japan India U.S Australia alliance by now if Rudd was not in power. The policy shift towards China is a slight worry for India. So is the Labors refusal to sell Uranium after the previous government agreed to it in principle. But these are just minor glitches and should not affect the relations overall.