More Evidence for Growing Indo U.S Ties.

AERO INDIA: India may relaunch attack helicopter contest
By Siva GovindasamyIndia’s $500 million attack helicopter competition is hanging in the balance, with the country considering whether it should issue a fresh request for proposals that would allow US companies to enter the contest.
New Delhi had issued an RFP in May 2008 and hoped to evaluate the AgustaWestland AW129, Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow, Bell AH-1Z SuperCobra, Eurocopter Tiger, Kamov Ka-50 and Mil Mi-28 for the 22-aircraft requirement.
Bell and Boeing, however, pulled out late last year over India’s insistence that it purchase the helicopters directly from the manufacturers. Both the Apache and Cobra are available only through the US government’s Foreign Military Sales mechanism. In addition, Boeing felt that it was not given adequate time to respond to the RFP.
Industry sources say that technical evaluations were scheduled to begin in early 2009 and flight trials were to have taken place over the summer, but none of the remaining manufacturers have heard from the Indian government.
“There are worries that the Indian government may decide to go for a new RFP that allows the American companies to take part. If it does, that is very unfair to the other companies that submitted their bids on time and had no issues with the original RFP. They might as well simply issue a new RFP to the Americans if they are so eager to accommodate Washington,” says an official from one of the manufacturers.
The air force hopes to sign a contract within two years and complete deliveries within a further three-year period. The tender is to replace the service’s ageing Mil Mi-35 fleets.
Its requirements include a twin-engined design capable of operating in all weather and terrain and of deploying turret-housed guns, rockets, and air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. EADS and India’s Defence Avionics Research Establishment will pursue a requirement for an electronic warfare self-protection suite, having jointly developed and tested a new missile warning system based on the European company’s AAR-69 MILDS system.
I fear we are pissing off the Europeans a bit way too much.
On the possible F 18 G to India. It seems to me that both Scooter and I as well as MM11 and others were right. It seems to me that Boeing is ready to offer a Lite version of the Growler with Awareness rather than attack capabilities to export customers.

AERO INDIA: Boeing reveals plans for ‘Growler Lite’
By Andrew DoyleBoeing plans to market an EA-18G “Growler Lite” tailored for an “electronic awareness” role rather than attack.
The manufacturer believes that offering what it internally refers to as the Growler Lite could boost export sales prospects for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, following the arrival of the Lockheed Martin F-35A Joint Strike Fighter in the international market.
The strategy would prevent jammer pod releasibility issues from holding up incremental EA-18G export sales to Super Hornet customers. The USA’s next-generation jammer is not expected to become operational until around the middle of the next decade. The ALQ-99 tactical jamming pod which equips the US Navy’s Super Hornets is no longer in production.
“There is some interest in having just the awareness, not the attack,” says Bob Gower, Boeing vice president F/A-18 and EA-18 programmes, speaking at the Aero India airshow in Bangalore. “This came from discussions with customers,” he adds.
An air force equipped with a couple of squadrons of Super Hornets could use around four “electronic awareness” Growler Lites to enhance its battlespace management capabilities, says Gower, and ensure that attacking aircraft are able to safely enter and leave the conflict zone.
“One element of that is to understand where the threats are,” says Gower. “Part of our strategy will be to sell Super Hornets where Growlers help. It’s a great market-shaping opportunity for us.”
As well as jammer pod exportability issues, some nations may be reluctant to raise regional tensions by introducing an electronic attack capability, says Gower.
He adds that Boeing could begin formally marketing the Growler Lite this year, but not in time for June’s Paris Air Show.
Boeing is planning to offer ‘Growler Lite’ to potential export customers
India is evaluating the Super Hornet alongside five other fighter types from European, Russian and US manufacturers as part of its 126-aircraft medium multirole combat aircraft programme.
Australia – the only announced export customer for the Super Hornet – has expressed interest in potentially acquiring several Growlers.
Seems to me like you Indians are getting used for slave labour purposes, I thought you guys had laws against that sort of exploitation.
He is speaking without any sources to support him while there were many articles that were posted here saying a 50-50 contribution and co-operation. Making nuts and bolts is not slave labour when more than 20% of the country is still below poverty line. 🙂
Yes no need to shout and the PAK-FA is a ground reality. If the Russians say 50-50 and if our government confirms it. Then who are we to argue. Having 2 fifth gen fighters is not that bad.
Infinitely better than none. 😀
No people with no knowledge usually don’t mess with things. While ones with a little knowledge usually **** them up 😉
Part can also mean technology. 🙂 So just listing contractors and sub contractors won’t cut it.
and why do you select the Rafale over the Typhoon?
Because Dassault already has ties with India. It has less American parts. Full ToT including radar source codes offered. Better A2G platform.
I would say
Super Hornet, Super Viper and Rafale.
320 and we only needed 24. Is it LCH RIP ?
Thank God elections are happening before the actual final selection. Otherwise if an American jet was selected a commie supported govt may cancel it and call the RFP again.
very active before media. but whatever happens behind , we will never know. You and I are not going select MMRCA contendors but those evaluation teams, IAF & MOD will. not bringing aircraft to AI doesn’t mean they are showing half measures.
The comments from the IAF chief and most of the journo leaks are pointing to the American platforms.
Communists are never right. I think an American jet will be chosen regardless.
The inability of India to shortlist the contenders probably makes many of them less interested to make a real effort to provide the best possible proposal. Participating in such a tender is very costly and if the chanse of winning seems small they wont be so eager to go the extra mile.
Actually Dassault and EADS are the ones showing half measures. MIG and the two American firms have been very active. So has been SAAB.
Being in a shambles when you run a procurement competition is not being tough. It’s being incompetent.
As Swerve and Victor noted, you lose out if you screw up your selection process.
If you think that an attitude such as the one you espouse bodes well for co-operation with any of the companies offering contenders for the MMRCA in the future, I think you are mistaken. With whom is India going to do a future joint venture if India disaffects Boeing, Dassault, EADS, LM, MiG or Saab?
We just want all options open till the very last. Its not inefficiency, just wanting it that way.
Future co-operation you say, I would like to say like the EADS spokesperson said, their help will only improve the timescale of LCA delivery if they don’t give us tech we will develop it on our own, it may take more time.
The onus is on them to be friendly with us because our defense budgets will be going up and there will be more procurement and joint development contracts.
India is doing the future venture with Sukhoi, who is not in the competition and possibly some French and Israeli firms for the electronics. I don’t think Rafale losing out will **** off the French to the extent that they won’t offer us tech.
If at all the delay has helped Indian firms as SAAB, Lockheed and others have signed contracts with Indian firms for OEM supply of fighter components etc, most of these contracts will be fulfilled regardless of the fighter being selected.
Model of the IAC displayed in Aero India 2009
It shows two wings in the lifted postion a beak and a tail.
Actually we have the Sukhois which can be modified for Nuclear Strike I believe. And in the future we will have the MCA and the PAK FA.
I think we were interested in the Backfire bombers for a while now. They are capable nuclear delivery platforms.
If we really need the MRCA to do the job, then lets choose the Rafale which was designed for the role. The presenting of the new draft means, both sides are willing to make concessions. This is good news for Indo-U.S relations.
The successful completion of the agreement which governs all future purchases will give the U.S planes added advantage.