ante_climaxWhat particular point, was un-swallowed, my dear Indian friend?
That the trial would have been fair ! It usually do not happen you know, and moreover if he is a serving officer he would have gotten orders not to appear.
ante_climaxScoot,
I could not expect more from you anyway. First of all I am an American born in Sacramento and studied in Cupertino & Boston who has worked for Boeing and P&W, both in States and Australia. If people like you get offended by the facts, then so be it.I am presenting my view based on my experience in the defence fields for the last 14 years. I am all for a US weapon system and something new like P8I is exactly what IN needs. I am just against the F-16, the aircraft that was initially denied to the IAF and now is being presented all jazzed-up with old bells-n-whistles like the Probe-and-Drogue IFR.
And just because repeated Australian governments have made mistake (as many in the RAAF have pointed out) does not mean that IAF must make the same mistake.
I have read your posts for over a year now and have come to the conclusion that most of your comments are based on info that is already in public domain. I am part of this forum and am presenting my view as an industry insider, and apart from abstaining from sarcasm, if you are really interested in a fruitful dialogue, then ask your questions and appreciate the info that I am presenting.
The only reason SH is being purchased rather than waiting for F-35 is due to the fact that both Indonesia (TNI-AU) and Malaysian TUDM have advanced Flankers in their inventory and because the Raptor was denied to the RAAF. There was even discussion in Oz to pull out the JSF program altogether, but due to “extremely close” relationship between ex-PM Howard and ex-Pr Dubya, the partnership continues. Towards the end of their careers in politics both leaders enjoyed the lowest popularity. No one was interested in Howard receiving Presidential Medal of Freedom from Dubya in Jan’09. Everyone knows here he was a sellout.
F-111 was retired by the USAF immediately after the first Gulf war, only the Ravens continued limited service. The fan club of Aardvark is very small.
I never said that all political parties are corrupt. I just merely wanted IAF and India to learn from their and Oz’s past mistakes and do not take a political decision in selecting the MMRCA. The decision must be based on all and any other criteria but that!
And as far as Oz decision time and time again to select major US equipment (except for EC Tiger, Leopard Tank, KC30 MRTT and Hawk trainer), including the entire surface fleet of the RN is that even after the end of the cold war, Australia defence white-paper outlines US deterrence (both conventional and otherwise) as part of the defence of the Australian mainland and its territories.
I do not want to turn you or anyone else into a believer of what I have to say. I am just adding to the ongoing discussions. And BTW, if you want to have a discussion on any of my ‘offensive claims’ then all you have to do is ask your question like a Question.
Cheers,
SfOz.
All the arguments against the Super Hornet was disproved in the “Canada, why not the Super Hornet?’ by a user named Jason Simonds. He was so comprehensive that all the conspiracy theories about the F 18 E/F purchase was unfounded.
Here is to cast some doubt on your said credentials
I could not expect more from you anyway. First of all I am an American born in Sacramento and studied in Cupertino & Boston who has worked for Boeing and P&W, both in States and Australia. If people like you get offended by the facts, then so be it.
You posted this post in this very forum a few days ago in the IAF thread. Note that in this post you mention that you just posted it in the BR (Bharat Rakshak Website)
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1358274&postcount=6
The corresponding BR (Bharat Rakshak) Post made roughly at the same time is by a user named S Sharma.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4015&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1880
The posts are almost identical….You are an Indian, or of Indian decent living in Aus….So cut all the ‘I am neutral in this, I am American wanting the best for IAF….stay away from the Evil LM and Boeing stuff’
ante_climaxWell even if they manage to rectify it within the next one year ( instead of the promised 1 month ) it would be an awesome capability to have at supersonic speeds
With its small payload and range it relies on speed to destroy targets, Ideal for anti shipping and small targets but it cannot destroy large ones like a Tomahawk, not ideal for land based use.
ante_climaxThe F 16s and later the F 35s can do the A2G role while the EFs can maintain air superiority. It is the better in that regard than the Rafale.
ante_climaxOh..those Russians….
PANJIM, JAN 31
The recent high-profile Indo-Russian naval war game ‘Indra’ (short for India and Russia), turned out to be mostly a good time on Goa’s beaches for the Russian sailors, after it was suddenly scaled down. Both the countries pulled out ships and a submarine that were to participate in the 2009 edition, which was to start on January 26 and conclude on Saturday.
The two navies were to practise maritime law enforcement, counter-piracy and anti-smuggling drills off the west coast, and the Russian ships were to converge in Goa afterwards. Instead, only one Russian ship, the nuclear-powered Missile Cruiser Pyotr Veliky, had a very basic exercise with the Indian Destroyer INS Delhi for a few hours, after which it sailed into Mormugao Harbour.
And the Russian sailors, tired after a long voyage from South Africa, got some much-needed rest and recuperation (R&R) in India’s best beach destination, which is anyway a favourite of Russian tourists.
The ‘Indra’ exercises began in 2003. Though the Indian Navy’s uses mostly Russian equipment, the operational practices of the two forces are vastly different. In fact, the Indian and United States navies have developed a far greater capability to carry out sophisticated war games together in the last eight years.
A senior naval officer said the war game was scaled down after the Russians pulled out a major ship from the exercise, Udalov Class Missile and Anti-Submarine Destroyer Admiral Vinogradov, along with its support tugboat and two tankers, citing ‘technical reasons’. The Russians offered to host another set of drills off Somalia, where the Vinogradov is engaged in anti-piracy patrols.
Disappointed, the Indian Navy – it was not so keen on Indra 2009 anyway – also pulled out a frontline frigate (imported from Russia), a submarine, and helicopters that it had planned to use for Indra 2009
ante_climaxThe problem is going back from set prices. Not many countries sign a contract and then go back on renegotiating it and at the same time delay the work.
ante_climaxIf, the Russian think they even the slightest chance at the MMRCA. Well, they must be crazy.
The only think that would win them any major deal from now on will be blatant bias and corruption.
ante_climaxThe Brahmos IMO is hardly mobile, It is too big that needs changes in the Sukhois to accomodate it, hell even the land based one looks too big.
And its poor range for such a big missile, As I said it is built for an anti shipping role, we should stop trying to be cheap asses and get different platforms for air and land roles.
ante_climaxThe only thing good aboutt he Gorshkov deal was the price (initially), and thats when we jumped in. Only to be held hostage for being smart asses and not evaluating all the options.
All our defense procurement is marred by such wise thoughts about the cost.
Russians say their stuff is cheaper, submit the bid, gets selected because of Russian types already in service, and they increase the price 2/3 fold later.
We never learn and go for more Russian stuff saying most of our inventory is Russian so it appeals logistically, well to the Pro Russian Indians in this forum this is all i got to say YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
ante_climaxThe demand of increased cost and lack of commitement as promised by Russia are more worrying.
1000 km version ? Is it not banned under some international treaty ?
It is a fine Anti-Ship Missile, the problem is with India using it as a land platform.
So far there are no export orders, there won’t be any unless it can perform well for the ‘partner’ nations.
ante_climaxMany of the key personnel in the armed forces and MoD are corrupted and even the non-corrupt ones are blindly pro-Russia to see apparent facts like Russia’s lack of prowess in building carriers.
For me its still not too late to scrap the project all togehter and even if that means being without a carrier for a year or two, its not worth paying them 3 billion for a reworked ship.
ante_climaxThis is exactly why I am wary of another deal like this. Its better to build your own even if takes a few more years than usual.
The South Koreans have large shipyards and make the biggest container ships, but they do not have any experience making carriers.
The best bet would be DCNS, but all things French are costly.
ante_climaxApart from the fact that a new AC built in another shipyard will cost atleast 2-3 times more. We do have time on our side, Chinese do not have a carrier as of now and the Pakistanis do not have one either.
ante_climaxYou dont get it flex.
If the turkish pilot was innocent (i.e things happened as claimed by THK), and presented all facts to prove it, he would be acquitted. 😉
He knew it, he chose not to.
Of course he was not stupid to attend. Just a lousy pilot.
I find it hard to swallow and too much of a risk to take. The worst thing would be him being sentenced and released as diplomatic good will, poor thing will not be that welcome back home then, especially if he went against suggestions and appeared in the trial.
ante_climaxI don’t think india could build the components to the highest calibre as needed personaly, perhaps its complicating it to much as well.
We have license built 130 odd Jaguars, building 100+ Hawks, 180+ SU 30s etc. Even with the delayed LCA the problem has never been with manufacturing, as the type has never had a failure/crash.
The planes built in India would be 20-30% cheaper, even more so if you are considering early block F 16s. ;). And this would be the perfect way to establish good relations between HAL and Lockheed.
Besides all this, I do not think its that good an idea to re-arm iraq in the scale mentioned. It may serve the short term purpose of leaving Iran out, in the long term Iranians may get many of these weapons for them to try and reverse engineer etc.
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