Aaaargh!
Do I drool over the tug driver, the David Brown or the Meatbox? Help!
Adrian
What David Brown? What Meatbox?
Tasty taster, I would say!
Bri 😀
Get down to the 2012 Olympics building site as quick as you can!
Plenty of old buildings coming down there…
Bri 😉
I hope they take a hunting rifle…
Bri :diablo:
sticks a babel fish in my ear, reads it out aloud to myself but alas its still largely gobbledigook and RAF service/departmental jargon that I cant recognise? but I think theres a translation in there somewhere that it was an interim design ahead of the Vulcan and Victor, that unfortunately was easily intercepted, had poor navigation/weapons systems? and then suffered fatique due to use in a low level role it was not designed for?
smiles
Mark Pilkington
Yes, I can’t understand much of it either – could you lend me your babel fish?
Poor navigation/weapon systems? NO WAY! 😡
Valiants had Mk 4 GPI + Green Satin or Blue Silk (?) Doppler for nav + MBS for bombs. All very advanced for the time.
If memory serves me aright, a squadron (or fewer) flew to the US using their Mk 4 GPIs, and were only about a quarter of a mile off when they got there.
And have you seen the size of that bomb bay?
Bri 😉
No better pic of the GPI I’m afraid. But to go back to the original question here’s a picture of the df control wheel.
Bri, were the Astrographs ever exchanged for the GPIs on the Lincolns or did Astrographs cease to be used?
The Lincolns I worked on were RAAF long-nosed ones. I don’t think our navs used astrographs. They did use a Drift Sight, which gave them drift angle which, I think, was input manually on the GPI.
The ADRIS had an AMU (Air Mileage Unit) which had a stepping motor output (M-type repeater) of airspeed, plus an API which gave lat/long readouts. The AMU needed a kick every now and then, because it had a post office relay that could ‘stick’ – they were a pain to set up I can tell you!
The maps were secured under a perspex cover – hinged, I think.
Although it wasn’t really accurate, the ADRIS was quite an advanced system for its time, as other air forces relied on sextants and radio nav. ADRIS was self-contained and used in British aircraft because radio nav could be used to detect the aircraft.
Further developments resulted in the GPI Mk 4 series, which had Doppler inputs. Then a development of that item was the moving map system used in the TSR-2.
I could write a book on the development of navigation systems!
Bri 🙂
Here’s a picture of the GPI MK1B 6B/406. As you can see it has hooks to attach to the Astrograph frame. I think it projects a spot representing the position of the aircraft onto the chart table. The wind speed and direction are dialled-in and the motors and gears keep the dead-reckoning spot on track.
Actually it wasn’t a spot, but a cross graticule with short arms and an arrowhead. That was projected down onto a map on the chart table.
The GPI was driven by the ADRIS system, and the DRC compass. ADRIS = Aircraft Dead Reckoning Instrument System, which used pitot-static inputs to derive position. DRC = Dead Reckoning Compass, which was a marvellously ingenious thing that hung in a small ‘dustbin’ in the aft fuselage to provide heading.
I worked on these items on Lincolns, but my memory is shortening!
Bri 🙂
It’s amazing how aircraft can crash through a brick wall and show little damage to the aircraft.
In 1956, at RAAF Richmond, NSW, a Neptune’s searchlight crashed through a brick hangar wall with hardly a scratch!
Also a Lincoln wing sliced through a steel door, with little obvious damage to the wingtip – but there were creases further inboard.
Neither aircraft was flying under power at the time – this was during a cyclone!
Bri 🙂
This a long and great thread, with even greater photos (!), but don’t forget that Indonesia also threatened Papua & New Guinea, Australian Protectorates. So Australia nearly had a war with them.
The following are dim memories of an old chap that will probably be corrected by someone.
Darwin was our (RAAF) front line, and I well remember that we had the biggest exercise we ever had there (1961, I think). My job was refuelling Hercules, but we had just about every plane the RAAF had visit us when Sokarno was invited through on his way to Canberra.
Sabres, Canberras, Lincolns, Hercules and Dakotas, all visited. The Sabres had only fumes left in their tanks, and some had to be towed to the tarmac!
The planes all returned to their bases and Sokarno was given a tour of them. Unless he or his staff noticed the serial numbers in Darwin, they must have thought we had thousands of aircraft.
That was probably the idea anyway. Clever move, that!
Bri 😉
I was working at Hatfield on the 146 on loan from Weybridge at the time, and one event I remember well was the boss calling all workers together to thank them for their hard work in making the 146 a success – as it was at the time.
ALL workers were invited, and that included cleaners and other non-technical people. The boss made the point that everyone should be included because they were all part of the team.
The thanks given was much appreciated by all, and I couldn’t help thinking that such an event was extremely rare in the UK. In fact I was never thanked anywhere else.
Hatfield was officially BAe at the time, but everyone there was still working for De Havilland!
Bri 😉
Is it true that BOAC used their Yorks on the ‘animal freight’ run in the mid-50’s? They were crewed (or so common scuttlebutt had it) by those who had transgressed the BOAC Rules at the ‘posher’ end of their operations and got sentenced to 3-months, or 6-months (depending on the severity of their crime(s)) flogging these Yorks from Africa to Europe. We had a number through El Adem at the time!
Resmoroh
I saw a York or two on cattle runs through Darwin around 1960. Could they have been the same Yorks?
Bri 🙂
Don’t miss the Spitfire Museum at Manston.
Somewhere else worth visiting is Quex House, nearby.
Bri 🙂
As the UK is now mostly owned by Russians, that shouldn’t be a problem…
Bri :diablo:
I wasn’t on the trip but as an ‘inmate’ at Boscombe I watched it and laughed at the reported noise complaint recieved BEFORE the aircraft arrived. :confused:
There were plenty of those. I remember the hoo-ha in Oz before the plane arrived. The usual lies were produced in the media, including the ‘fact’ that the sonic boom would make cows abort their young.
After it flew over, a farmer from the outback was interviewed and gave the answer none of the journos wanted to hear: “My cows have heard thunder much louder than that.”
Bri 😉
If you check for it (or any other film or TV information) on the ‘Internet Movie Database’ there may be a link to a DVD or video cassette. You don’t have to register just to look for something.
Bri 🙂
Fan-bloody tastic set of pix!
My brov could have been the handler waving off one or two of the planes. Any idea which carriers are depicted?
By the way, if you can’t afford a high-end photo retoucher, a freeware program called Photofiltre is just the ticket. Most of the pics could be enhanced quite a lot with it. Use the clone brush to improve difficult areas.
Bri 🙂