I think I’v made my opinions about the abortion the CVF is well known here. I will say that if it were up to me, the RN would have two 60000 ton three catapult CVs in service or on the way (perferably three ships) , each with a standing air group of three fast jet squadrons (Rafale would be my first choice but SH would do) one of helos, and an AEW flight. (Hawkeyes) that is as far as I’m going to go tonight cause you dont even want me to start on what the RAF should have, or the British Army for that matter. Suffice to say that it really really pains me to see how far the British have declined. And if you disagree……fine.
That one opinion.
Could the C-2 even be competative next to the A400?
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Could C-2 be a danger to A400M sales? I wouldnt think they would.
Will there be more than one FAA squadron? Or just 800?
Two British ships were hit by air launched Exocets (out of five launched) one missile (hit Sheffield) failed to detonate. Neither ship launched countermeasures (Shef was just …….off.) and Atlantic Conveyor had none. Glamorgan was hit by a land launched MM38 and suffered damage to her hanger and loss of her chopper but continued with her mission. Coventry was hit by good ol iron bombs.
And probably would not have happened had the British had a big deck CV with AEW.
It is debatable I suppose.
Just that the J-79 in the Mirage III airframe as the Kfir was not, initially anyway, a match made in heaven. Fatter, heavier, and needed extensive revising of the cooling situation, not the least of which was additional scoops.
Certainly initially, there were performance losses, with some Israeli pilots lamenting it’s performance compared to their Mirage C’s and Neshers with the lower powered ATAR 09C. It is worth pointing out that the later ATAR 9K50 and J-79 have pretty much the same twr.
When looking at an engine for the Kfir, the ATAR 9K50, Spey, and J-79 were all considered.
The J-79 won out primarily due to maintenance and spares inventory, as the F-4 Phantom was used in large numbers by Israel, and military credits could also be availed of.
Cheetah C and Kfir both have a similar theoretical max load too, although to emphasise, it is theoretical.
I completely agree………between the two it probably comes down to the pilot…..and personal preference. I’m wondering what the Spey would have done for the airframe?
Due to engine integration/cooling/drag…
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A very debatable call. I’ll stick with the Kfir. J79 bestows greater wet thrust (17900lb v 15873lb) higher speed (1516mph v 1460mph) and greater weapons load. Not at all sur on the range, but the Kfir’s combat rad of 477nm is not too bad. But again, a very worthy debate. Maybe a new thread should be started?
I’ll throw one last little bit of info out there………during the Falklands conflict, the Argentine 25 de Mayo TG got within 100 miles of the British carriers without being detected despite there being two of the best SSNs in the world looking for her. Her being only 20000 tons and not 90000 was irrelevent. The ocean is very very big and unless you know where to look or get somewhat lucky………you just may get a nasty shock.
Are those V3B or Magic?
Maybe someone should start an F-4 and Draken thread, seeing as how this is a Mirage III and F-104 thread.
The problem is not as much, if the Soviets have really detected the Midway group, but the statement that the lack of detection (in peacetime!!!!!) would prove that the carriers are a useful weapon system. Which is not a very logical argument. It is not improving the argument that it is only based on the reports of one side, i.e. it is not even known, if the Midway group was really not detected.
I think Jonesy made a very logical argument.