Perhaps Egypt can loan/sell you some.
Who would have ever thought that the Egyptians would have a capability that the UK lacks?

Shame on Whitehall…

The EAF operates those Hawkeyes so they would probably best be compared toe the Sentrys the RAF operates.

And this relates to aviation how? I can see why some would be irate with this, but, really, if people dont believe France or Germany, or pretty much any other European country arent doing this……..well, there just aint much you can do for some people.

All I know is that the MRA4 decision is something that will come back to haunt them. Probably sooner rather than later if my reading of the South American situation is correct. 😡

“South American” situation???:confused:

I feel sorry Buitreaux in this thread, trying to thread his way through the minefield of rabid French/English/Argentine nationalists.

Wouldn’t it be nice if Argentine capability could be discussed without people trying to link everything to the Falkland Islands or Rafale V EF?

I’d say the F16 Block 50/52s would be the logical choice for me, taking a guess at the budget and the other available options. It’s actually a sign of the paucity of ‘inexpensive’ options available….obviously the Mirage 2000s are excellent choices too, but if the prices quoted are so astronomical I’d go with new built aircraft.

What do you know about whether the Argentines will regenerate carrier capability in the future? Yes I know the COAN still qualify their pilots off the Sao Paulo before anyone says it, so this would suggest a desire to eventually return to carrier operation. It’d be very expensive long term aspirational goal of course as the currently ARA don’t have nearly enough surface units to form a carrier group IMO.

Very much agree about this thread. Buitr seems to be the expert on Argentina so I’ll defer to his judgment here. He mentioned the Navy poss getting 24 jets if the AF got a certain ammount, and I was wondering……with that many (and the SH would look very nice in Armada markings) would thay bring back 3 squadron, and operate with 2 fast jet units, or just stick with the one?

Would be nice to see Argentina get Rafale. Also, its a shame SAC220 never went anywhere. But any way you look at it, the Argentine Air Force fleet is OLD.

Hi Jim,
For ANY service person I cannot think of anything worse than shooting your own people or being shot by your own side (be they French, German, American or even British) and yes from behind a computer in the comfort of our own houses we can all criticise those that pulled the trigger but PLEASE let us not adopt any holier than thou attitude.

Are we perfect?

Let’s just think for a few seconds.

How far back do we look?
The British firing poisonous gas in the First world War and not take into account wind direction and killing our own troops!!

Dozens of other examples

Second World War
A British Spitfire shot down TWO!!!!!! yes TWO RAF Hurricanes One might be careless but two!!

Then there was the case of FIFTEEN Fairey Swordfish torpedo aircraft attacking I believe HMS Sheffield who they thought was the German pocket battleship Bismark!! Did the blooming Sheffield look ANYTHING like the Bismark?? TYhank God the British warship did not fire at those ‘Stringbags’ or bags of string :diablo: (thank goodness ALL fifteen aircraft missed the target)

Lets move into modern times when we have the technology we all like to think is infallible.

Iraqi War II… A British Challenger II tank engaged and destroyed ANOTHER British Challenger tank killing a number of its crew

Royal Marine in his River Patrol Boat was killed when soldiers from the Royal Engineers fired a missile at it!!

yes, yes a thousand times yes there are far more incidents of US blue on blue involvements but surely the very basic rules of statistics explains that… The Americans have far more soldiers, sailors and airmen so it must stand to reason they will see more action and therefore very sadly more of these horrible incidents!!

When we go to war we ALL…… MUST ACCEPT the consequences and very, very sadly being killed by a friendly force is sadly always going to happen.

Blaming folks on a public forum might perhaps not endow us to them… How about we all accept NO ONE WOULD DELIBERATELY FIRE ON A FRIENDLY UNIT

Yes I have heard the tapes of the A10…. The tapes of I believe two cobra’s the written dialogue of F-16 pilots.. They were elated to have killed the ‘enemy’ they all thought or in the case of the cobra’s ‘believed’ they were attacking the enemy. If they had been told they were definitely British units then does ANYONE here seriously believe any of those crews would have pulled the trigger?? Shame on anyone if they think these folks would have.

They were all fighting to protect their homelands… I for one salute their courage and hope they can eventually come to terms with the tragic mistakes they have sadly made.

As an aside the American forces are developing amazing kit that will hopefully go a long way to reducing this terrible part of warfare.

Lincoln7…
Jim. PLEASE…..
Switch that computer off for SEVERAL days and chill out, relax, do ANYTHING other than log onto forums…. I firmly believe they can effect your health!! You will loose sleep, you will be thinking about posts you disagree with, or posts that have annoyed you… Life is far, far too short to get frustrated over things we have no control over 🙂

Just remember
Sticks and stones
May break our bones
but names will NEVER
Hurt us.

To all our brave service personnel…… I salute you and pray that you all look after yourselves and your colleagues

Yours sincerely
John

Completely agree with you!!!!! But…..one teeeeny little thing. Bismark was not a “pocket battleship”, but a great big full sized huge battleship.

Just put the A-7 back into production!

It was inevitable. Some people just cannot accept that Boeing won.