its blue, the 2nd pic hs the wrong colour setings. The sky looks to green to be right.
air canada 320
my 3 guesses:
1) Onur Air A321
2) B757-200 Condor/Thomas Cook
3) B757-200 Airtours
Birdy Airlines A330 (operating for SNBA)
Re: Atc
Originally posted by andrewm
Anyone else wanna change from Pilot to ATC like me 🙂
You know, I did apply 4 years back. I got refused because my glasses are to strong. My glasses are -5,3 whereas -5,0 is the maximum. Same as with becoming a pilot.
I don’t really know why this rule is still used. After all, most of it is done by looking on a computer. Looking outside is still required, but is not as important as it used to be!
I can’t recognise the plane, but look at the background? Could it be? Has brenmcc1 been cheating? I think so!

I thought that Sir Branson wanted to set up an all new airline instead of taking over one. The disadvantage of an old airline is that it already has established working patterns which may be ahrd to break as well as the employment contracts which may not be geared up to a low cost carrier.
I would not be surprised if Sir Branson bought stuff from USAirways. Slots, aircraft etc. I don’t think they will take the Shuttle to convert it into VirginUSA.
No it is not the first service. KLM has been serving them for years with the 743 and since recently the 744. SLM code shares on these flights. SLM will take over 2 (or more?) of the KLM flights and KLM will codeshare with SLM. KLM will continue the other flights.
I’ve read that the 743 will be repainted in full SLM livery.
Phuket Airlines are from Thailand. The island of Phuket. They fly 2 or 3 ex-KLM 747s and a handful of ex USAirways 732s and I believe also NAMC Y11s.
SLM is Surinaamse Luchtvaart Maatschappij/Surinam Airlines. They fly 2 or 3 MD80s and will get 1 ex-KLM B747 to commence operations between AMS and Suriname.
I think the 7E7 will sell rather well. There will always be demand for a plane in that class. Imagine that Boeing is right and there will be more frequency on more routes, in that case the 7E7(long range version) will win. Imagine that Airbus is right and there will be less frequency on fewer or the same routes. In that case larger feeders will be required. They are already common on high density routes in Europe, think LH A300 and BA 767. If that happens the 7E7(short range version) wins! Either way Boeing will sell the plane.
Now there is a more interesting question. Will there be enough sales to make the project profitable? After all, and unlike the A380, the 7E7 will face tough competition.
The main competitor will of course be the A330. And I think it is safe to assume that Airbus will modify it to make it (even) more interesting for airlines. A lot of development money and resources now go to the A380. In under five years most of these resources can be moved to making a better A330 or another project.
The 7E7 will get most of its benefit from the improved engines, this has been stated by Boeing on more than one occaission. So what will stop Airbus from using the same engines? Or similar engines provided by another engine maker. Boeing will likely offer only 1 or 2 engines to the airlines (they did so with the 737NG and the 777 as well). There are however three large companies capable of developing such engines (P&W, RR, GE). One of them will catch up sooner or later.
Of course there are also other competitors, but they are less important. Think of second hand B767s and A330s and if Russia where to get a leasing program the IL96s could be popular in Asia and the former CIS.
Some may say that Airbus won’t be able to foot the bill of a “new” A330. I think that is no competely the case.
Over the years Boeing could sell the 747 with a large profit margin, because there was no competitor. The additional profit went into supporting other aircraft. Airbus can now do the same with the A380 almost has a monopoly. It is quite a bit larger then the 747 and has growth potential which the 747 has yet to show.
With the additional profit that the A380 will eventually (not immediately as the launch customers got of cheap) make the A330 can be cross subsidized. This will be a bad thing for the 7E7.
As it is now, Boeing is focussing to much on details. How the plane looks for instance! They want a easily recognizable planes for PR purposes (hence the odd looks). The airlines just want an economical plane! The naming competition is another thing like that.
Boeing will sell the 7E7, but it won’t be as big a succes as the 737 or the 757 was!
KLM has been very busy sellings their 742s and 743s. Two have been sold to Phuket and SLM will get one soon. God knows what ILFC will do with the 747s they had on lease to KLM. You may therefore have seen an ex-KLM plane.
I believe Phuket has one ex-KLM in 747 with KLM livery and Phuket titles?

half a year ago we still had a UA 763 at AMS on one of the two routes. I’ve heard the AMS routes are quite popular.
I don’t think a bankruptcy is any less unlikely then it was yesterday. Therefore I still would not rule out bankruptcy at all!
Vastapana (biggest shareholder) has said he wants to continue the airline, if necesary with another partner. This does not mean anything. He on his own won’t be able to continue as he lacks the money. I don’t think there will be a lot of banks willing to lend money to another airline. A lot of banks and large companies are still unhappy at being forced by the government into supporting SNBA in exchange for tax breaks. Besides aviation has never been the biggest money maker for investors!
That other partner Vastapana is hoping for is probably Jetair/TUI for the short and medium range operations, and Birdy Airlines for the long range operations. Maybe Jetair/TUI will take over everything.
I would not be surprised that Jetair/TUI will wait until bankruptcy has been declared. This has 3 advantages for them:
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[*]A bankrupt company can’t make demands. Therefore Jetair/TUI can make more demands.
[*]A bankrupt company gets dissolved. This also means that its debts are dissolved. Obviously this is very tempting for JetAir/TUI as the company becomes much cheaper to buy.
[*]When the company gets dissolved, the contract with its personnel gets dissolved as well. When JetAir/TUI takes over new contracts will be set up, which will most likely be less favourable then the old Sobelair contracts.
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Therefore I think that a bankruptcy will happen, but that this will not be the end of Sobelair!
Virgin Atlantic A340