How about the Gloster Javelin? Having read the book ‘Empire Of The Clouds’ by James Hamilton-Patterson, it seems that the Javelin was a bit of a dog, and I get the impression that it never really fufilled it’s potential, with the Sea Vixen being the better aircraft.

Was not the Javelin quite advanced in marks (FAW7 if I remember) before it even acheived the original specification?

Not sure Gloster’s test pilot Bill Waterton was particularly impressed with it either.

Kind Regards,
Scotty

The CAA do accept different manufacturing methods, and also modern material equivilents; specifically they allow machining from solid components, that would have originally been forged, (stamped) provided that they are to the original drgs, and material spec, but as you say it would be a very clever CNC machine that was able to machine internal waterways.

Not really that clever….

We use robotic arms at work made by a company called Schilling. They are made out of Titanium and were originally intended for use in nuclear reactors. The hydraulic oil paths go through solid blocks – known as galleries. I gather these are made up of layers of CNC machined material then fused together. Expensive, but good for about 4200psi, and use up to 10,000 metres of seawater.

Can’t see why a similar arrangement couldn’t be used to form the internal waterways of an engine block.

Kind regards,
Scotty

Mentioned this before but..

“Crying shame that at least part XM603 can not be saved for the Manchester Science and Industry Museum. Ok I understand they lack the space for the whole aircraftt and the cost to dismantle and move would be huge. But surely the nose, fuselage / bomb bay and vertical tail are could be relocated and placed on display. It would make a stunning exhibit with wings removed. Not ideal but better than just ‘pots an’ pans’ “

Isn’t the MOSI aviation gallery stuffed full enough? There’s other vulcans and more lively ones than that. I’d rather see the pristine Shack stay than yet another example of pieces of another dead Vulcan.

I think if you gave credit to the location and aircraft operators, there could be no potential issues, but even these are probably not required, as the image is one you’ve taken yourself – it’s your intellectual property.

In using somebody else’s intellectual property, a credit is not all it takes. The credit is put there to acknowledge that you have permission to use the image. Not everybody requires a credit to be used.

I certainly know that if any of my images had been used without permission, I would still be taking action, credit or not.

If you read the small print on race circuit tickets most say that any photos taken from public areas are for your private use only and that the race circuit owns the intellectual property rights so they may not be used for commercial gain. Press men sign in to register as press which means they are covered by circuit insurance when accessing areas not open to the public and by registering as press they retain the rights to their images. I have no idea how enforcable this would be as I would think it must be difficult to prove that a photo was taken from a public area for a start.

That’s pretty much it – it depends on the contract between you and the event organiser when you purchase your tickets. If it says personal use only, then you cannot sell any image taken at that event for commerical gain unless you were standing on public ground.

Kind Regards,
Scotty

Seems to be a severe thread creep. Where’s the historic aviation gone??

Over priced?

I would have to take the view based on something my missus once said …..

In Indonesia, there is no such thing as a rip off. If you are prepared to pay the price, then you got it at what you wanted to pay.

In this case, both parties got what they wanted. One gets money for a bus, one gets a Lightning cockpit at a price that was good for them. No real rip off there, that was the price in the day. Had it gone for a competitive auction who knows? Might have been even more expensive…