Don’t you ever get tired of being stupid? That same friggin RFJ article again!!! and you claim not to be a troll!!
The Sochi olympics just cost the Russkies a whopping $51bn!! then there’s the World Cup ($?bn), Moscow metro expansion ($30bn), Moscow-Kazan high speed rail link ($29bn) these are just a few of the civilian higher profile govt. funded projects and they’re ALL PRE-2020!!! Do you honestly think they can’t scrape together India’s $5.5bn for Putin’s big willy project?

Rkumar, nice to see you’ve stopped crying now that you’ve found your own source that concurs with what I posted above regarding high-quality supply chains, indigenous skills and capabilities etc. If the Indians attain the said 50% capability only in 2030, that’s hardly the Russians’ fault, is it? To be brutally honest, that number will never rise above 25% (imho) – if the F-35 is any precedent. Also, your cost estimates are too simplistic as the final numbers have probably not been set and do not include basing infrastructure, weapons, operating/maintenance costs etc.

First of all get down from your high riding horse and it will be better if you don’t lecture us at least of Russian high quality supply chain. Others points are debatable as Russia has certain capabilities and skills. I am not interested in finger pointing and fighting mine is bigger then yours sort of discussions. Simply not interested.

These costs are without any operating or maintenance costs. I am not sure regarding weapons. Even if weapons are included in this price, what could be the weapons cost? US 2-3 billions or 10 billions. To me it is clear that India will pay at least double of the US 100 million considering inflation, project completion delays and technology transfer delays. It is nothing specific to Russia, I am just stating facts for a complex project like T-50.

It is my opinion that India should go slow with any foreign 5th gen plane procurement plans as they will be very expensive to acquire, technically complex to maintain and quite expensive to operate.

India’s Share in Joint Fighter Project With Russia Likely to Grow

Positive talk but lets see if Russia walk based on the talk. Another point to note end price of each plane will be US 200 million as of today’s estimates. (144 planes will cost US 25-30 billion)

MOSCOW, October 25 (RIA Novosti) – India’s share in research-and-development work for the joint Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project with Russia is currently limited by India’s domestic industrial capabilities but will gradually increase with the project’s implementation, a Russian military expert said Friday.

India’s The Economic Times newspaper reported on October 17 that Indian military officials were concerned over the country’s work share in the FGFA project, which is currently only 15 percent even though New Delhi is bearing 50 percent of the cost.

According to the paper, India’s defense minister is expected to raise that issue during his visit to Russia beginning November 15.

“The figure cited by the Indian side reflects current capabilities of India’s industry, in particular the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited [HAL] corporation,” said Igor Korotchenko, head of the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Global Arms Trade.

“With the progress in the implementation of this project, we expect the Indian engineers and designers to approach the share determined in the [Russian-Indian] agreement: 50 percent,” Korotchenko said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

Russia will certainly provide all necessary knowledge and logistics support to Indian specialists, but developing skills and acquiring experience in design and development of advanced fighter aircraft takes a long time and substantial effort, the expert added.

The FGFA project began following a Russian-Indian agreement on cooperation in the development and production of the perspective multirole fighter, signed on October 18, 2007.

The Indian fighter jet will be based on the Russian single-seat Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA fifth-generation fighter, which now has four prototypes flying, but it will be designed to meet about 50 specific requirements by the Indian Air Force (IAF).

In December 2010, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport, India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi Company signed a preliminary design development contract worth $295 million for the new aircraft.

Currently the $11 billion final design and research-and-development contract is under negotiation between the two countries. The total program is expected to cost India about $25 billion to 30 billion.

The IAF had initially planned to order 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat fighters, but India’s chief of air staff said in October last year that New Delhi would now go for only 144 single-seat jets, with domestic production slated to begin in 2020. :stupid:

…. What?

Considering current Indian shipbuilding rates, it might take over a decade for two frigates to reach the Philippines after cutting steel.
If the Philippines are serious about buying frigates they should look to South Korea. I don’t think India has had experience in exporting warships before, certainly nothing as complex as a frigate

Did I claim otherwise? If you read carefully, I used word prospect Regarding order or time lines etc. only future can tell us … lets see.

^ I can’t put better then this.

+100

It makes sense for India to let Russia develop it alone and sell it to whoever they wish. In stead we put this money on LCA-Mk1 production line, LCA Mk2 and AMCA development.

We can buy 144 PAKFA when Russia feels to sell it to us with so called ToT aka partnership.

There’s no crying, protesting here. Its standard practice to lodge of note of dissent when arms exports take place to an entity that you’re not on the best of terms with.

India for example, regularly put on the diplomatic equivalent of a grimace on the matter of any arms exports to Pakistan. The reaction from Pakistani commentators was predictably similar to yours.

Its just the way things are done, neither the Filipinos nor the Koreans, nor for that matter the Chinese, will give it a second thought.

Why our thinking is always Pakistan centric, can’t we think or act bigger? I do not see India issuing such public statements when China sells arms to Bangladesh, Maldives, North Korea, Nepal, Sir Lanka, Burma or to African nations.

In case, India do issue such statements kindly point me those. Please don’t tell me we did it in private in apologist way. Thanks in advance.

Why Chinese Govt. always cry and protesting like a spoiled child?

They are doing the exactly same, sell or gift weapons (lethal, non-lethal or WMD) to their client states (North Korea, Pakistan) or other nations(Iran, Syria, Turkey, African countries).

They are sh!t scared even if someone sells knife to Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam and now Philippines also. Is Philippines also comes under core interest? It seems their core is always getting bigger and bigger as time pass.