Just as confirmation; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/mcguire.htm

Categorically not a fighter base. Sadly, the US was simply not geared towards defending itself from hijacked airliners used as piloted weapons.

It is to be hoped that they are now ?

Over here in Ireland we are dependant on what may turn out to be an overstretched RAF if things go mad again..

Damned funny…..made me think about doing the same but perhaps without the paint jobs….aint that brave!!!

Very sad to see another “proper ” actor pass on.

RIP.

Sad to see the death of someone way before their time ..and lets not forget that there is a baby without a mother, a mother who by all accounts was totally devoted to her offspring.

Isnt it sick to see all the Vultures suddenly springing up claiming fatherhood all of a sudden? god help the child .

Brilliant….many thanks…..looking forward to more!!!!

and they say addiction is bad!!!:diablo:

Its a great world……..

Have to agree the age of selflessness is long gone..

driving on the road these days is like a ruddy war.

What about the **** in the jeep sitting two feet from your bumper at 75mph in a line of traffic?

What about the fool who drives into the parking space you were just about to reverse into?

What about all the prats driving in a long line down the outside lane of a motorway just in case someone would make up a yard or two ?

What about the service you get in shops? bad mannered little sods who sit yakking to their mates rather then serve you?

What about the stupid selfish yobs who walk over you rather than round you?

I do not think anyone is arguing that at all. Things can always be better. Situations can always be approved upon.
-Do we know for a fact that the British were in the spot that they were supposed to be in? I do not believe anyone really knows unless you were there.
-Was the controller sure about were the pilots were talking about? He kept saying that there were NOfriendlies in the area where the A-10 was (thought) to be looking.
-were the A-10 pilots in the right area? Should they have attacked knowing that they saw ORANGE (though the one thought they were missiles…I did not know missiles were painted orange..but maybe they got a briefing or there was an instance..we do not know. We all can peculate this thing till we all die and no one will ever know for sure what happened….we can only work our asses off to get better…end goal, the end of Fratricide.

There was a lot in the error chain that I saw. Were the pilots perfect NO but, they did ask several times if the area was clear of friendlies…. then they asked again and were assured again.

On my first mission in Afghanistan, we were re-routed and ordered to drop our cargo to go pick up an air-evac mission. A British soldier was cleaning his gun and shot his buddy in the head. He flat lined on us three times but in the end he survived. (He shouldn’t have because my pressurization system was **** up and I could not keep the Hg within limits to carry a head wound patient. Thank God he survived.

I am sure everyone here would congratulate you on your bravery and dedication and thank you for your part in the saving of life.

But you have to understand that what has enraged people over this incident is the denial of the video tape to the inquest, the lies that it was not available.

After all as a member of the military surely it would be better to let you guys know when mistakes are made and what lessons can be learned from them? Surely that is more positive than Political face saving exercises like this cover up ?

The mistakes that were made are a serious cause for concern , the identification of the orange ID panels and then the decision to ignore them, the mistake that led someone to believe that friendlies were not in the area, the error that rockets were on the back of the vehicles . No one is saying that the A-10 pilots were solely and completely responsible .As you said there is a whole line of command and communication that needs looking at.

but its the lies and the cover up that cause the most thought and questioning ..

what else has been lied about over the years apart from the well established Bull about WMD & Saddams 9/11 involvement ?