[QUOTE=Spitfire Pilot;1069607]I am really beginning to hate muslim clerics…….all they see fit to do in their perverted lives is preach hatred and racism and give all the poor bloody hard working muslims who are honest, decent people an extremely bad name.

Lets not forget that hatred extolled by Clerics is not an exclusive club peopled by Muslim Clerics alone . Christians have a lot to answer for both now and in the past, fundamentalist believers in the Jewish faith are fairly extreme as well .

and the list goes on and on..

So much material so little time!

And there was me thinking the ” lively ” discussions had disappeared…I just dont normally look at the modern end of the forum!!!

I really wish i had time to spend addressing individually the silly inane points raised on both sides of this discussion.

But come on lads and lassies;

Surely everyone can see that Isreal striking at Iran’s supposed Nuke weapons is a recipe for disaster what ever weapon they decide to use. What gives Isreal the right to have nukes and no one else in the region allowed to even have rumours of same?

why is it that so many people here cant accept that everyone who opposes America’s fx policy isnt anti American or an America hater? i have heard this crap so often now from the same mouths that it is truly tiresome and a little boring…Maybe its the fallback when points cant be answered any other way?

There ARE people , fanatics , in every belief, whether Religious or Political, who thrive on division and hatred. They manipulate hardship and tragedy for their own twisted beliefs. This goes for Admins and terrorist “organisations”.

I have to agree with the statement that al Qaeda is not an organisation as such .Its a belief system & an ideology and the “organisation ” structure is more like a network , an alliance of convenience which allows various nutcases to claim to be part of a bigger,global war. OBL doesnt direct campaigns, he doesnt decide attack here or attack there. They use the internet on a massive scale to get their beliefs across and to try and inflame those who have a inclination towards the use of warfare to achieve their aims.

The original idea behind al Qaeda was to have what could be described as a Muslim Rapid reaction force with its aim being to aid oppressed Muslims on a world wide scale.In a sense they saw , and maybe continue to see themselves,as the World’s policeman for Muslims. But unlike their ” Western
” counterpart they do not have an organised Military, they have no fixed structure or defined political organisation or hierarchy .

a poor example but the only one that we might all be familiar with is WW2 where you had Resistance ( or Terrorist if you were a Nazi) organisations in France, Holland, Norway etc etc.But they had no interconnection , they didnt operate as one organistion.there were very few if any joint operations.
The only commonality was that they got help from the Allies . Their aim was the same, defeat the Nazis and that was all they shared in common…a belief ..

With regards to the conspiracy theories doing the rounds i have yet to see anything that convinces me of direct US government involvement.

Keep it real folks everyone is entitled to their opinion so dont try to force yours down everyone elses throat ….are you listening OBL & GW !!

Good nite all!

I can’t tell which end of her is which

I dont think she can tell which end is which either!!!!

Someone once showed me years ago… Coca-Cola when we did not have access to WD40 and wante to loosen a nut

Probably used what is now called ‘Classic’ not the Diet with Cherry!

Paul

I am afraid the old ” receipe” Coke is gone and with it prob its usefullness as a loosener of bolts !!

many many years ago when i was young and plump…..A cousin once plied me with numerous bottles of coke…then proceeded to show me how coke could clean the most filthy old penny to new pin standard !!! No Cillet Bang in those days !

3in1 used to be very good !!

and these people are called Celebrities? oh come on!!!!

Well done Moggy!!!

Watched some of this crap last night due to the publicity..CH4 must be delighted…figures were going down the pan and suddenly….

This crap is the sort of thing that Chris Tarrant used to ridicule on one of his TV shows ,cant think which one, apparently it was all down to those weird Japanese, South American, North American or Europeans with their nonsensical ideas of entertainment …well its been here for a while now and its only getting worse !!!

Its not just BB look at mid morning TV…”Real” people up on stage talking about their problems..Real my butt !!!…publicity/attention seekers more like and the programme makers pander to this type of cheap rubbish. and look at what we call comedy these days!!

It has to be said that the standard of TV programming has gone down the drain over the last few years. and this crap is what they think we want!!!

And who in the name of whatever Deity you worship are some of these “Celebrities” anyway ? Footballer’s Girlfriend? 70’s pop stars? some silly little girl who pulled her top up on a previous BB?

Quote; “Gee, I was living in the U.S at the time as well.
Do I get to have an opinion? “

Course you do…just as long as you dont mind someone else having a different one ? “(IMHO…This is an example of how people without a detailed knowledge of events or history can be misled by a seemingly fair news article).”…bit rude dont you think?

Quote; ” Since you claim to be an expert on American political history, you should know it’s nothing I made up! “

sorry old son never claimed to be something i aint…unlike some i could mention 😀

Nixon should have done time….the punishment should have fitted the crime ..even if he was the unlucky one that got caught!!

I’m sure it was the same in ancient Europe…one tribe taking over another.
If you’ve studied Native American history..tribes often fought against one another…those enemies that were’nt killed were taken as slaves.
Not exactly the prototype hippies that Hollywood has painted them for the last 40 years.

And what about those nasty Vikings/Mongols etc.:D
I’m sure if you go back far enough one group of cave dwellers used their advanced technology to take over someone else’s rock.

My point is that it was going on long before Australia and the Americas.
What about European colonies in Africa and tha Pacific?
Should the “civilized ” governments/kingdoms of France, England, Spain (and later the U.S.) have known better?
Probably…but judging them by today’s standards is wrong.

Might as well fault Di Vinci for not building a glider (he was smart enough to figure it out and he had the same raw materials available as Otto Lilienthal).

sorry thought i had made exactly this point clearly enough that our North American friends wouldnt think they were under attack again !!!! Ireland Scotland & Wales were part of europe the last time i looked and look what happened there !!

Surely the police will need to look into it and hopefully flush out the perp?:confused: