The point was Casson reported shooting an aircraft down by blowing its tail off. The only german aircraft shot down on the day still had its tail!

is it possable that the records are wrong or incomplete?

Nice one !!!

Myself and some friends were in Barcelona a few years back…one of the lads is about 6’5″ built like tank, skin head hair cut…and looks very very scary….

this local lad walks up to him and with a broad smile says

” Hello you scouse B*****D ” and walks away …

and all this to a Manchester Utd fan!!!

NB: for those who dont know “Scouse ” is a nickname for someone from Liverpool one of the lesser teams in English football but who remain deadly rivals to the greatest!!!

Anyway SOC maybe the handiest way to explain the attitude of the a hell of a lot of the rest of the world is…..

IF America was there for the right reasons they would be welcome to act as the world’s policemen…. but it isnt…. so you arnt!!!

So where’s all this incriminating evidence that Halliburton is making money by war profiteering? Mind you, the LOGCAP contract they bid for and won that netted them a lot of the Iraq work through KBR? It was tendered before 9/11 even.

think you have missed or more likely ignored the point Has Halliburton ” obtained ” most of the contracts to rebuild Iraq after the war ” finished “or not?

See, the problem is that you want to blame America for everything wrong with the world, but are refusing to recognize that others were involved as well. The UK/UN is at fault here for setting up the country in the first place. The USSR was wrong for helping Egypt. The USA was wrong for defending Israel. Am I right so far? Iran is wrong for arming Hezbollah. Most of the Middle East is wrong for funding Hamas. Syria was wrong for occupying Lebanon. So when should they all be held responsible, other than America? Or do you think that only America should be villified for involving itself in another nation’s affairs?

and Syia/Iran have world wide ambitions do they?

Not really only the large bits the US governement have ruined!!!

my point is that your government seems intent on imposing the American vision of “all things good ” on a world wide scale whether we want it or not!!! the Middle east is but one example of your meddling ..if you had left things alone or at least used the UN in its proper format things might be a damned sight better than they are now.

That’s part of the reason why I think you should be required to get at least two vetos to kill something, not one.

dear god something we agree on but…..

..not while you have someone like poodle Tony in your pocket!!!!

If the shoe fits…

bet that took a lot of thought…….

The thought that you ever viewed America in a positive light is absolutely hilarious.

when we were young……

…all believed in fairy tales…but we didnt expect them to turn into nightmares..

France was beaten at Dien Bien Phu. The Geneva accords divided the former colony into two after the French left. The south did not desire a reunification with the Communist north and formed an alliance with the USA, which led to an advisory role and later a full-on involvement in the war. According to the actual course of events and your logic, the USA should have, I suppose, ignored it’s international obligation to assist an ally against attack from an aggressor.

once again…..

…you have ignored a vital point….why poke your nose in???

And you see a number of people claiming that 9/11 was a hoax because they don’t understand simple physics. Your point?

broken record time…..no answer so go of on a tangent….

where is the evidence on the Taliban involvement…and where is your old murderous pal Ossama?

The CIA didn’t support Bin Laden. Might want to check that out. Here’s a hint: there were two insurgent groups operating in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

oh dear ..here we go again…..deniability

do you really believe this as well? ok maybe not officially the CIA.. but come on!!!! we have a saying over here…WE DIDNT COME DOWN IN THE LAST SHOWER OF RAIN!!!!

Wait a minute…are you implying that the US SHOULD stick it’s nose into other people’s business now?

now this really is getting boring……ok nice and simple then…..

If America’s morals demanded that they support the oppressed , remove brutal and cruel regimes, bring democracy to the world……why no meaningful involvement in Rwanda or Kosovo….no oil not even a pipeline thats why !!!

Cool. When are you going to campaign for the UK to sort out the India-Pakistan situation then?

no point..

after all no point in talking to the monkey( Blair ) its the organ grinder you want ( bush 0…and he hasnt got the brain capacity to see much further than the next dollar…

Funny. I thought the MiG-23, MiG-25, MiG-29, T-72, SA-2, SA-3, SA-6, and SA-8 were all Russian, and that the Roland was European.

the mighty dollar can pay for anything…

or are you going to deny that America supported Iraq against Iran???

Why don’t you tell me what discussions I’m allowed to enter then, or which ones I am required to read and respond to?

AS i dont take the American attitude……

i dont try to impose my will on others but it would be nice if you would actually read and respond to more of the points that are raised rather than ignore those you cant answer to your satisfaction.

Exactly my point. You refuse to assign blame to the parents, why?

parents?????

who said it had anything to do with the parents in the first place?? guns are that readily available that they are almost free!!! take a walk sown the street for petes sake!!!!

its a bit like cigs over here ..kids arnt allowed to but they get them anyway and you can bet that its usually without their parents knowledge!

now is that clear enough?

Unequivocally. The US should withdrawal support from Israel, get out of the UN, leave the Middle East, and pursue relations with Russia, China, India, and Iran, while separating itself from a Europe which has no interest in us in the first place.

great…goodbye !!!!……but…theres always a but!!!
are you sure when you say ” relations ” you dont mean domination, imposition of values etc? anyway China & India are going to wipe out Industry/Business as we know it in the next few years who says they need America?

Again with the “personal responsibility is bad” thing. I don’t care what you eat. And if you eat nothing but McDonalds for a month, of course you’re going to have problems. Why? Because you’re acting in ignorance of the balanced diet concept. That’s you being an idiot, not McDonalds’ fault for selling fattening food. As for the fat people thing, that has to do again with, guess what, personal responsibility! Get off your engorged posterior and excercise! I suppose you think that we should all be eating tofu and drinking
water, is that it?

oh damn just when i thought….wrong again….. 😮

but when you have a population that isnt the most educated , who cant read the contents or make up of the crap they are eating, who think life is all about Gerry springer ( or whoever is the latest muppet on morning TV) they arnt goint to be able to do much about it if it isnt made perfectly clear what they are doing to themselves .

AND the fact that McD’s has now been shown to contain additives which make the eating of this rubbish complusive .

Here is something that you will find in a lot of different cultures the wish to help others where possible but without any strings attached….Oil concessions etc ! 😀

Maybe it wouldnt be a bad thing to try and introduce to your government!!!!

[QUOTE=DH106] “A taillless aircraft, now considerably nose heavy would probably bunt through the vertical and rapidly descend – accelerating as it did so.
Aerodynamic ‘fluttering down’ for something as heavy as a fighter would require a stalled condition – exposing the large wing surface areas at some large side angle to create enough drag to slow the descent. But to be ‘stalled’ would be virtually impossible in the very nose heavy trim the aircraft would find itself in – sans empennage.”

now maybe i have missed out but blimey you guys can fairly post!!!!…….

what about the well crumpled wreak thought to be beside the road?

and with regard to the possable landing of the tailless aircraft what about the famous film of the do17 rammed by Ray Holmes and shown minus tail/rear fueslage and outer wings..seemed to be falling like a leaf. but into a built up area…..a lighter aircraft like a spitfire?? in the country..nice soft soil!!!

the eyewitness report of the mid air explosion…has that been totally discounted?

I wondered the very same thing. I suspect he would have two very short words to describe us all…

could be a whole new tread…whay hay!!!!

oh god………….

I think Obesity in USA is due too lack of exercise, we have same problem in UK.
People spend too much time watching TV and internet( 😀 ) you can eat junk food , but you must exercise. 😀
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for gods sake!!!! carefull !!! ‘er indoors might hear you and then where would i be !!!!

anyway joking aside the crap that is pumped into the various items of so called food is nothing short of disgracefull !!!! the blasted stuff is additive!!!

at leasts thats my excuse !!!! 🙂

Done laughing, time to respond.

glad to see that as per usual American’s can find humour in the discomfort and suffering they cause in the world!

See? Were it just a simple reactor that wasn’t built decades ago, you’d be without the overwhelming bulk (and potentiall all) of your problems.

no chance!
modernisation? ever heard of it? Sellafield has been “updated” ” improved” time after time…its still a mess..there are still unexplained deaths, still unexplained birth defects…and you want to take that chance again? tell you what why not prove us wrong…move to within say 2 KM’s of one of these ultra safe,at least according to the UK government, facilities and see if you feel the same in a few years..

Funny, Halliburton has been trying to offload the KBR subsidiary that handles the Iraqi business because, guess what, they’re making no money. They get a base fee of 1% of the contract, plus a performance award of up to 2%. A lot of costs are not covered by the contract, such as the need for additional security. Guess what, there’s a lot more of those costs as well. So where is Halliburton, via KBR, making all of this money in Iraq?

and you believe that as well???

Well then by your own logic let’s see you campaign for England to go in and fix their former colony in the Middle East. Good luck with that. I suppose you’d rather the US had stayed out while the USSR supported Egypt when they went to war with Israel and just let them get overrun, right? We have a word for that, it’s called “hypocrite”.

good idea …there’s a first!!!

of course the UK should…but then the mess that YOU have made since they left is SO much worse…and you can play the old ” you did it first” game all you like ..without the influence and blind support of the US Isreal may well have come to some sort of accommodation with their neighbours and the original and some would say legit owners of the land they now occupy…

IF the US didnt use their right of veto every time the Un tried to censure their middle eastern statelet..maybe just maybe we wouldnt still be watching the mindless slaughter on both sides .

HYpocrite??? from someone from the Land of the free??? a country that elects the likes of Brainless Bush???? a country that bullies and threatens any one who disagrees with their point of view? i despair of that once great country who will bring us to or past the brink of Armageddon.

As for Vietnam, where is your complaint against France for cutting out in the first place?

unbelievable!!!!

FRANCE GOT OUT EARLY……..shouldnt you have stayed away???? what right had you to impose your way of life on those people ???? and before you ask yes i have been there and yes they are damned happy these days!!!any way sure according to you Yanks the french dont count for much anyway!!!! ask rumsfeld!!!!

By your logic we butted in in Afghanistan as well, so you’re against that operation, right?

right again!!!!

You see a lot of people wonder where is the evidence that the Taliban had any direct involvement in 9/11 ???

and yes they were a brutal cruel regime, one mind you that YOU supported in their fight against the Soviets…as well as one Osama Bin Laden…if the cap fits????

What about Rwanda or Kosovo?? why no meaningful involvement there?? mind you no oil or even a pipeline ehh???

Ok. How about this. We reinstate the Taliban, release Saddam and set him back up and let him invade Kuwait again, and isolate ourselves from the Middle East and Europe. Would that please you all? If things go back to the way they were before US intervention, that surely must satisfy your desire for US nonintervention in any world affairs whatsoever. Why don’t we withdrawal from the UN and NATO as well, so we can’t be called on by those organizations to impose our will on some other unsuspecting nation?

NO sunshine !!!you created the mess ( support of the taliban as previously stated,support of Saddam against Iran ) you should under any kind of natural justice or sense of right HAVE to sort it out!!!

Mind you …Kuwait… where that poor girl talked about that new born babies dumped out of their incubators by the cruel armies of Iraq…only she hadnt been there had she? she WAS the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador wasnt she? more lies WASNT IT???? just like WMD in Iraq!!!!

and NO Kuwait shouldnt have been invaded by that former poster boy of the US…but YOU GUYS gave him the power and the funds to do it!!!

Where the hell did I say that? I’ve chimed in during more than one debate against a whole variety of US policies.

only when it suits you though!!!

Typical. You blame the gun, but not the idiot parent who left them in a position to be accessible in the first place.

and if the gun was banned ???

or at least issued under responsable licencing laws????

I’ve personally stated here before that I DO think the US should withdrawl support from Israel.
you sure???

no if’s but’s or maybe’s???

Now you’re against capitalism as well?

nope!!!

but responsible capitalism…not the kind that leaves how many of YOUR population obese? how many overweight? watch ” Supersize me” ..see how your fav burger joint is making itself as additive as the Cigarette industry…