Done laughing, time to respond.
glad to see that as per usual American’s can find humour in the discomfort and suffering they cause in the world!
See? Were it just a simple reactor that wasn’t built decades ago, you’d be without the overwhelming bulk (and potentiall all) of your problems.
no chance!
modernisation? ever heard of it? Sellafield has been “updated” ” improved” time after time…its still a mess..there are still unexplained deaths, still unexplained birth defects…and you want to take that chance again? tell you what why not prove us wrong…move to within say 2 KM’s of one of these ultra safe,at least according to the UK government, facilities and see if you feel the same in a few years..Funny, Halliburton has been trying to offload the KBR subsidiary that handles the Iraqi business because, guess what, they’re making no money. They get a base fee of 1% of the contract, plus a performance award of up to 2%. A lot of costs are not covered by the contract, such as the need for additional security. Guess what, there’s a lot more of those costs as well. So where is Halliburton, via KBR, making all of this money in Iraq?
and you believe that as well???
Well then by your own logic let’s see you campaign for England to go in and fix their former colony in the Middle East. Good luck with that. I suppose you’d rather the US had stayed out while the USSR supported Egypt when they went to war with Israel and just let them get overrun, right? We have a word for that, it’s called “hypocrite”.
good idea …there’s a first!!!
of course the UK should…but then the mess that YOU have made since they left is SO much worse…and you can play the old ” you did it first” game all you like ..without the influence and blind support of the US Isreal may well have come to some sort of accommodation with their neighbours and the original and some would say legit owners of the land they now occupy…
IF the US didnt use their right of veto every time the Un tried to censure their middle eastern statelet..maybe just maybe we wouldnt still be watching the mindless slaughter on both sides .
HYpocrite??? from someone from the Land of the free??? a country that elects the likes of Brainless Bush???? a country that bullies and threatens any one who disagrees with their point of view? i despair of that once great country who will bring us to or past the brink of Armageddon.
As for Vietnam, where is your complaint against France for cutting out in the first place?
unbelievable!!!!
FRANCE GOT OUT EARLY……..shouldnt you have stayed away???? what right had you to impose your way of life on those people ???? and before you ask yes i have been there and yes they are damned happy these days!!!any way sure according to you Yanks the french dont count for much anyway!!!! ask rumsfeld!!!!
By your logic we butted in in Afghanistan as well, so you’re against that operation, right?
right again!!!!
You see a lot of people wonder where is the evidence that the Taliban had any direct involvement in 9/11 ???
and yes they were a brutal cruel regime, one mind you that YOU supported in their fight against the Soviets…as well as one Osama Bin Laden…if the cap fits????
What about Rwanda or Kosovo?? why no meaningful involvement there?? mind you no oil or even a pipeline ehh???
Ok. How about this. We reinstate the Taliban, release Saddam and set him back up and let him invade Kuwait again, and isolate ourselves from the Middle East and Europe. Would that please you all? If things go back to the way they were before US intervention, that surely must satisfy your desire for US nonintervention in any world affairs whatsoever. Why don’t we withdrawal from the UN and NATO as well, so we can’t be called on by those organizations to impose our will on some other unsuspecting nation?
NO sunshine !!!you created the mess ( support of the taliban as previously stated,support of Saddam against Iran ) you should under any kind of natural justice or sense of right HAVE to sort it out!!!
Mind you …Kuwait… where that poor girl talked about that new born babies dumped out of their incubators by the cruel armies of Iraq…only she hadnt been there had she? she WAS the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador wasnt she? more lies WASNT IT???? just like WMD in Iraq!!!!
and NO Kuwait shouldnt have been invaded by that former poster boy of the US…but YOU GUYS gave him the power and the funds to do it!!!
Where the hell did I say that? I’ve chimed in during more than one debate against a whole variety of US policies.
only when it suits you though!!!
Typical. You blame the gun, but not the idiot parent who left them in a position to be accessible in the first place.
and if the gun was banned ???
or at least issued under responsable licencing laws????
I’ve personally stated here before that I DO think the US should withdrawl support from Israel.
you sure???no if’s but’s or maybe’s???
Now you’re against capitalism as well?
nope!!!
but responsible capitalism…not the kind that leaves how many of YOUR population obese? how many overweight? watch ” Supersize me” ..see how your fav burger joint is making itself as additive as the Cigarette industry…
As an Israeli I can’t understand Hizballah’s motives, because they’re wrong. Some Lebanese, mostly in exile, also understand that they’re wrong.
Believe it or not, Gollevainen, but not every Lebanese thinks that Hizballah is the Arab’s world’s shining knight. Many understand that it was Hizballah who brought over their country a conflict which had nothing to do with them.
Hizballah arn’t been investigate for the indiscrimate use of cluster bombs on civilian targets though..
and before someone starts screaming about indiscrimate rockets falling on Isreal…once again….Isreal is a state….with an elected government…it is meant to a Civilised state…..it shoudnt act like a bunch of mindless terrorists…
Not being in any way anti semetic/anti-Jewish/ anti anything .. apart from cruel and brutal governments…
but remember the saying ” whats poison for Peter…? ” eye For an eye.. ” ?? leaves one dead from poisoning and others blind in at least one eye!!!
As an Israeli I can’t understand Hizballah’s motives, because they’re wrong. Some Lebanese, mostly in exile, also understand that they’re wrong.
Believe it or not, Gollevainen, but not every Lebanese thinks that Hizballah is the Arab’s world’s shining knight. Many understand that it was Hizballah who brought over their country a conflict which had nothing to do with them.
Hizballah arn’t been investigate for the indiscrimate use of cluster bombs on civilian targets though..
and before someone starts screaming about indiscrimate rockets falling on Isreal…once again….Isreal is a state….with an elected government…it is meant to a Civilised state…..it shoudnt act like a bunch of mindless terrorists…
Not being in any way anti semetic/anti-Jewish/ anti anything .. apart from cruel and brutal governments…
but remember the saying ” whats poison for Peter…? ” eye For an eye.. ” ?? leaves one dead from poisoning and others blind in at least one eye!!!
Might have missed something here…did you guys know it was the Mk9 you were digging? If you did why did the TV allow the dig to go ahead if it wasnt Bade’s spit ? If you didnt is there not a danger that human remains could have been involved and as such compromised by the JCB?
please dont take this as criticism I have the greatest admiration for the work being done by so many selfless volunteers…. its purely a tech query..i am aware of the probs inthe UK in the past with digs finding remains.
Makes you wonder what other gems are hidden away! thanks for letting us in on the news!
Thank you Mr Clarke for your usual tactfull(?) response!! 😮
Maybe exhaustion is a more accurate description for my state of health yesterday as the last 2 weeks have been spent travelling gthrough various parts of Germany, Austria & Northern Ireland trying to trace various war graves.
Unfortunetely another Web site which i came across by accident (and which i now find appears to be uncared for !) made the same mistake in taking Bergin to be in Norway.
apologies for the uncalled for waste of everyones time! 😮
Elliott,
The Dutch Air Force only investigate and recover aircraft crash sites if there is a formal request by the local authorities (usually the local Mayor). There is no active policy. The Genevea Convention etc. doesn’t work here. But in the past (our Foundation has been very active in this) wrecks containing human remains and/or bombs have been successfully recovered at the initiative from private organisations. The problem is that the local town, villages etc. shy away from these big operations because of the costs involved. About 85% will be paid back by the Dutch Gouvernment but a certain amount per head of the local inhabitants will have to be paid by the community itself although fundraising has been succesfull as well.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Cees
Cees,
the work of you and your countrymen is i hope much appreciated . I might be a little niave here …I wonder if there is any possability of obtaining funding from the Governments of the decd? surely they have a duty with regard to the recovery of remains?
Been Googling for 72478 Sqn Ldr Henry Melvin Young, but could only find that he was killed in action on May 17, 1943.
thanks Papa Lima….i am knackered 🙂 !!! ,found the info this morning and more or less constantly on line or reading various books since!!!
Its definately them according to the War graves site ,found a listing of the crew and they all seem to have ended up in Bergin. I also found a photo of A-apple after the crash off the Dutch coast…maybe they got into the dinghy and drifted north on the tide?
anyway time for the bunk!
need a Yorkshire geography lesson!
don’t know if this will be much help but http://www.allenby.info/ might at least give you some referral info.
I have just got back from a weekend away and have been asked by a number of people to take a look at this thread.
My first instinct is to lock it for the night and sort it out tomorrow when I’m not quite so tired.
But with the programme almost upon us I think this might not be appropriate.
I am therefore going to place an open invitation to Truthseeker, Tangmere and 1940buff, from which others here can reach their own conclusions.
“Do any of you three have an explanation as to why your postings all originate from a shared IP address?”
You can respond by PM or on the open forum. I’m sure many of the contributors will be interested in the answer.
Moggy
Moderator
Well, holy god!!!!!!
This will bring the conspiracy people out of the woodwork!
originally posted by SAURON
” …..it would seek a chapter 7 mandate to send a balanced force made up of NATO, regional M-E and Lebanese troops equiped to take on Hezbollah in it’s weakened condition “
NATO; North Atlantic Treaty Organisation……Nth Atlantic…..not middle east….they arnt allowed to get involved!
Anyway i doubt if our friend in the IDF would be too happy taking on fully armed in your face NATO troops with full back up and orders not to take any crap from anyone!!
Strange hear someone extolling a UN mandate in connection with the Isreali situation….Isreal who ignores every UN mandate,who gets their American paymasters to veto anything the remotely holds them up for censure, whose human rights record rivals some of the cruelest, most inhuman regimes known to man….Seems that the idea is to pick and choose what suits and ignore the rest.
originally posted by SAURON
” …..it would seek a chapter 7 mandate to send a balanced force made up of NATO, regional M-E and Lebanese troops equiped to take on Hezbollah in it’s weakened condition “
NATO; North Atlantic Treaty Organisation……Nth Atlantic…..not middle east….they arnt allowed to get involved!
Anyway i doubt if our friend in the IDF would be too happy taking on fully armed in your face NATO troops with full back up and orders not to take any crap from anyone!!
Strange hear someone extolling a UN mandate in connection with the Isreali situation….Isreal who ignores every UN mandate,who gets their American paymasters to veto anything the remotely holds them up for censure, whose human rights record rivals some of the cruelest, most inhuman regimes known to man….Seems that the idea is to pick and choose what suits and ignore the rest.
I so enjoy posts that rail against genocidal jooz :rolleyes:
Where is GA when you need him?
He prob sitting there wondering why he bothers!!!
You seem to have a thing about Judaism being inextricably linked to the actions of a less than credible Isreali government.
No one on this forum has exhibited any form of racism or anti-semitic tendencies, they wouldn’t get away with it anyway.
You really need to understand that its the Genocidal Isreali government that are the source of concern not the religious beliefs of its people.
Mind you i wonder if you protest too much ….it is almost as if you are trying to create problems ,is this because in your heart of hearts you KNOW that what has happened throughout the history of the STATE of Isreal and continues to happen is totally unacceptable in any civilized society? you seem unable to some up with any rational or reasonable argument to support your strange & disturbing views.
I so enjoy posts that rail against genocidal jooz :rolleyes:
Where is GA when you need him?
He prob sitting there wondering why he bothers!!!
You seem to have a thing about Judaism being inextricably linked to the actions of a less than credible Isreali government.
No one on this forum has exhibited any form of racism or anti-semitic tendencies, they wouldn’t get away with it anyway.
You really need to understand that its the Genocidal Isreali government that are the source of concern not the religious beliefs of its people.
Mind you i wonder if you protest too much ….it is almost as if you are trying to create problems ,is this because in your heart of hearts you KNOW that what has happened throughout the history of the STATE of Isreal and continues to happen is totally unacceptable in any civilized society? you seem unable to some up with any rational or reasonable argument to support your strange & disturbing views.
Truthspeaker,
Welcome although i echo others in regretting the cause of your joining us.
Thank you for your clarification of the issues raised with regard to your involvement.Perhaps others will now follow your lead and give some form of explaination of the issues around the fate of the recovered a/c previously requested but so far not answered .
Keep up the good work .