Although I admit our navy is pathetic and soon probably non-existent…

Your navy? And which would that be :p???
And please… Don’t tell me you are indeed a Dutchman because that would
be hard if not impossible for me to digest :p…

Never mess with or call people/
nationalities (or poke fun at other’s inteligences)
stupid when you don’t know them.

Just a thought, Mr. Severodvinsk:

Have you (others here too of course) ever heard
of the saying –practice what you preach??? It’s almost a
philosophy that we can all live by, don’t you think?!!!

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Enthusiasm, or imaginations – to fire up the flat deck fire???

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20041028/11937870.html

The far eastern a/c carrier rage, like
the energizer battery bunny, as seems — keeps going and
going and going, and it keeps going :p …

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Damn… Where is
Mr. Sharon throughout all of
this commotion ;)???

I thought he’d be christening good
old baby Leo here with the best of Bordeaus imported from
the scenic countrysides of france…

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Mr. Burgerman, you gotta be careful the exact words you use…”nationalistic”….then edisonone will tell you heshe’s not a Chinese citizen…that’s the funny part, serious complexes…

Huh !!!! Confused as always! But, definitely
no full-fledge no full-blooded all the way kinda Dutchman however.
Merely a Dutchman of a different ethnicity.

Foolish Mr. Pinkov :p… Giving the
http://www.kanwa.com/free/2004/06/e0604b.htm
ChiCom’s more credit than they deserve :confused: :p ???

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Mr Wanshan did
what you asked, he came up with some
junk of his own.

Can Mr. Wanshan really represent the country
:phttp://forum.airforces.info/showpost.php?p=506794&postcount=36 :p :p :p
these subs supposedly belong??? Hmm… I wonder???

“if you don’t have junk, you can’t call Chinese stuff Junk”.

Did I say that? I thought what I said
was that you do not “qualify“ to make such statements
if you are unable to deliver in same :p .

Basically everyone needs
to have junk to call Chinese things junk?
You live in an odd world…

Please… Back your arguments with “substance”… Not
smart a**ed remarks! Such remarks are drawing an even more negative picture
of you and how it is trully affecting you and your world.

You pretty much did just about the same thing to Russia/Soviet
Union now. You call it junk. You indeed have even more junk, aka Han and
Xia class. So indeed you qualify to call Akula junk in your world.

As I said, you must, first things first, come up with your very own
junks – even if 60’s and 70’s techs, if you are to judge others! “Not leaky imports that even
Mr. Putin himself will not employ/use for his own armed forces”.

You are stating rubbish
and I don’t know of any Leaking Reactor
incident on any Akula.

Facts: There are so many nuke subs rusting idly away in Russian
yards now days because of insufficient funds to operate them that it alarms even the
mighty US of A as to how best to dispose of them safely and properly.

Wanshan does have such sources about
Shenzhou and Soyuz and his country does not need to build any
Spaceship to allow him to say such things.

Even so! Or even if such is indeed true, I challenge
you to come up with your own Soyuz replicas. If otherwise, you, my friend,
are not qualified to judge or to make such statements.

Again, if J-7’s don’t qualify as MiG-21’s, then neither does
SZ-V’s qualifies as a Soyuz replica no matter how you like to paint the picture.
And, if you think you can do better, then, as they say: Please…

“Show Us the Money :p !!!”

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The basic shape and division into modules resembles that of the Russian Soyuz spacecraft, and there has been tight cooperation with Russian space agencies and companies beginning in 1994, which also provided blueprints and transfers of full-scale Soyuz spaceships to China. Russian help was also important in the area of astronaut training.

Notwithstanding, both official Chinese sources as well as many Western analysts note that the Shenzhou is not merely a copy of the Soyuz and contains substantial amounts of indigenous design. In particular, the Shenzhou is substantually larger than the Soyuz and also contains a powered orbital module which is capable of autonomous flight.

I know that some of the Chinese contents
clicked here on this board is extremely hard for you or some of you to
swallow and to digest, Mr. Wanshan, & Co…

“But, to back your argument, :p or jokes :p, you must first and foremost
come up with your very own “joking matters“, Mr. Wanshan. Then and only then,
do you qualify to tell others that their Soyuz look-alikes is a joke or not!!!”

And, if you or your friends can’t deliver in this respect, Mr. Wanshan, then the joke is indeed
on you or on yourselves — regardless if SZ-5 is a Soyuish relict or not :p . Now, Mr. Wanshan, who’s really
picking a fight here? The one’s that cracks joke? Or the one that challenges the wise crackers???

Therefore, may I suggest for you/your friends to start pushing and that you push
hard the decision makers of your country in this respect. If otherwise, you’ll forever be stuck with the
discouragement you have and the things that’s eating you up from the inside out.

Another relevant example to your Soyuz argument: If even our mighty learned highly
educated Mr. Phantom exclaimed that while MiG-21’s can be classified as a timeless machine, and that
the J-7 somehow does not, even if it looks MiG-21ish, then you can’t say SZ-V is Soyuish!

Another example with reference to your argument, Mr. Wanshan and all Mr. Wanshan’s of this board:
Have you or have you guys ever encountered a Chinese members of this board cracking wise-cracker-
jokes about the potentially leaky (radiation) Akula’s which, supposedly, is or will be heading to another part of the
mighty Asian continent as :p “second hand relicts from out of the junk yards of Soviet Russia”:p???

Of course not!!!

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