It is not as if China does not have a lot of Western
turbofans for them to study; the place has more GE turbofans
from the civilian jetliners than you can imagine.

Heck! I tear the 350 V-8 in my ’68 Skylark apart in the 70’s;
clean the engine up with terpentine; put new rings and valves back into it;
then bolt the freeakin thing back together again; and all without a repair manual.
It purs like a puddy cat soon after I turn on the ignition again!!!

If there’s a will, there’s always a way!!!!

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Well, that’s why I said I’m hoping for them to use it wisely.

Did your country helped with China’s current AWAC system as well, Erez??? Cos if you
had indeed had a hand in it, then you are going contrary to America’s wishes of not transfering military technology
to the Chinese. You’ve in fact commited an American criminal act when you did so :p.

America, as you know, just won’t have it. And, without America, no baby lion for Isarel.

About Chinese aviation there are two aspects often in disagreement:many consider any Chinese aircrafta s domestic product and the Chinese domestic designations often hide the foreign origin of many Chinese aircraft, but the Chinese also have some derivaties have some domestic technology but no one can say the Chinese aircraft are domestic product infact perhaps until 2010 is very likely that the chinese will really start building 100% built and design aircraft each in every one aircraft made by China you will find a foreign technology form radar to engines or weaponry the J-10 is a Lavi derivative according too many and to the US intelligence reports, many Chinese deny that but the official Chinese reports often let see the true origins of the Chinese aircraft

Truth; history; and, the public documentary channels:

Did You know that Joseph Stalin captured the best that Hitler has to offer
after he losted the war? And, did you also know that same applies to western techs with the additional
pluses that it (west) also captured Japanese expertist in same after war???

Additionally, did you also know that MiG and Sukhoi, or the then mighty USSR,
actually used espionage to acquire technology which later turn out to be formiddable rivals to the F-14/15 —
or their MiG-23/25/27 and that it, inarguably, is accepted and deemed Ruusian???

I mean why the “put-down” and why the different sets of
standards unless “the one’s making such claims or charges are in some way or somehow very
very discouraged :p in their own showings” in this area????

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:rolleyes:

Thought I should included this:

I understand what you think & upset about the cancellation of Lavi

Has it ever occured to anyone here that the all indiginous Lavi
itself “may in fact” owe its origin to or was itself an influential byproduct of
the mighty F-16? Has anyone ever considerd the possibilities???

But I think the Lavi had helped China so much in aviation development

Assume!!! Not think!!!!!!!

In my book, the thing that trully pushed the Chinese forward
in the field of aeronautics is the new breed of highly challenging engineers
and designeers that the Chinese has incubated since the early days of the Deng dynasty.
Or, ever since the start of normalization of Sino-US relations.

For without the expertist and the drive behind these specially
gifted individuals, no amount of :p J-10 look-alikes :p from either Israel or even if from out of
Russia will ever spring to life in China or elsewhere in the world…

“Even the Mitsubishi F-2 is a purely 100% copy of the F-16 and, same goes for the Lavi!”

Another argument: Who on earth is the world going to make accountable
if by tommorrow China comes up with an F-22 or a JSF look-alike??? For examples:
Their long rumored XXJ; their J-10 “C”; their suspicious so-called F-117 look-alike which is dubbed
the H-9; and/or other radical Chinese designs that takes after western idea???

Are you guys going to start blaming espionage or maybe even
outsourcing of American jobs and companies for the possible Chinese successes
of the above simply because such products are so westernized???

“”INSPIRATIONS”, people! “WESTERN INSPIRATIONS”!!! Not western help!!!!”

“Neccessities, people, as they say, is the mother of all creations. And,
faced with the challenges of superior military might and technologies, the J-10, IMHO,
is a most urgent need and neccessity for China’s national defnese!!!”

http://www.china.org.cn/english/scitech/109823.htm

Wizzards people, wizzards such as Issac Newton, Alexander Gram Bell,
Albert Einstein, Leonardo Da Vinchie, and more, was glorified in the west and deservingly so,
but such gifted individuals, too, exists in — other parts of the globe!!!!

:rolleyes:

Sorry, that’s the one I meant. Not too much difference, all old crap :diablo:
The National Geographic programs are good. I only watch the wreck divers and programs about animals. These are the good ones. I also watch “Friends” sometimes. Although I’ve seen the entire series on my last trip on the LPG-carrier.

As the “old crap” goes, Severodvinsk:
What seems to be “Up! Y*&^% :D?!!! A few Chinese technological
advancements irratating you somewhere, maybe???

Haha… If your brain is as big as
your mouth is, maybe you can present some old crap
of your own for us all to digest 😀 .

Why do I NEVER understand anything of what you’re saying????
Well I got the point when I saw the pictures. It’s not impossible, we don’t get to see ANY screen or anything that could be classified. Last picture looks quite weird though, it looks like a Romeo… Judging from the inside, it also looks quite old and cramped (SSK-like). Of course Han is an OLD design too…

:confused:

Are you staking a claim here that CCTV is misleading the public???

:confused: