I can’t read the serial number of the second picture but it might be a Wapiti V as it’s fitted with all the Army Co-op equipment.
John
Walrus as whaling spotters.
John
I went on site on Sunday evening, having been in Scotland for a few days to find the announcement that I had been banned and with a most shockingly offensive reason. Apparently a Moderators system had been hacked, but we have had no explanation as to why only a section of us fell foul of this, or if our email addresses and details are compromised and why. Who let this happen?
John
I’m sure I recall we had one of these outside the Armoury at Cottesmore circa 1964, with a Tallboy the other side of the path.
John
He mentions the use of non ferrous screws. The note on BR130 ends with it was sent to Kala (Kalafrana) for completion.
John
Mildenhall 1988


Nieuport 28. RIP Sir.
John
The detail
John

Robert,
Yes they were done by the same team at Harborough publishing (Aeromodeller) The Westland book was one of a proposed series of manufacturer profiles of which only three saw the light of day. Miles, Westland and Bristol. I believe that drawings were done for Hawker, Gloster and de Havilland but the books were never printed.
John
Just a very quick pic to see if there is anything of interest on the drawing.
John

Chris ,
Thank you for your input. and I welcome any comments and input by anyone who can pop another piece in the jigsaw of my aviation knowledge. It’s like unraveling the Dead Sea scrolls, which incidentally probably contain a reference to G-AAWA.
I’ve updated my post 16.
Cheers
John
Hi Dave I have this book. Both this drawing and the Wapiti drawing are awfully flawed. The cockpit is actually too far forwards and it’s too wide. The rudder chord is too narrow (Wapiti same). But thanks for the thought.
Chris. Thank you. A perfect explanation. The Wapiti wasn’t pretty before they added that canopy…
I have over time had the opportunity to measure every frame of the Wallace and I’ve drawn this up in my computer. I’ve also traced a Wapiti tech drawing and overlaid them to see where they touch, so to speak and from frame one to frame 10 they are virtually identical. There are three types of wing, two differing wing staggers, two different u/c rakes, two tailplanes and elevators with different chords, (DH 9 and Westland metal built) on Wapiti’s alone. Not to mention the engines.
It’s my belief that the fin and rudder did not change from when it was sorted out on the first production example up to and including the Wallace, despite what several authors have inferred in well known tomes. The rudders have all been drawn too narrow and the Wapiti fuselages too Long in model drawings.
Although the overall difference in length between a Wapiti IIa (Jupiter VIII) is 20″, the difference in fuselage length between Frame 1 and the stern post is 24″.(The supposedly missed out 2 ft) this 24″ is the difference between the tail plane leading edge fittings of the Wapiti at Frame 10 and those same fittings found on the lengthened fuselage of the Wallace at Frame 11.
I am also positive that the only long fuselage Wapiti V the RAF had was the former G-AAWA and no production Wapiti V’s had long fuselages. The Wapiti V or VII, G-AAWA (or J9728 or PV.6 or P6 or the Everest expedition G-ACBR or finally K3488 as a Wallace) was the Joker in the pack being the original ‘Triggers broom’ as it metamorphosed several times. I think that it probably ended up as the Westland Westminster.;)
John
Probably of not much use is the “Blueprint” issued with Aeroplane Monthly some time in the 1970’s. It’s by the late Frank Munger the Staff artist at Flight for many years. It consists of a three view with a lot of structural details,fuselage frame joints, control runs etc.
Frank was a superb ‘cutaway ‘ draughtsman and he had access to anything that Flight archives had. Alf Granger did a number of the illustrations and articles in the A5 Ian Allan Aircraft Illustrated Extras so they might be the same detail as in the blue Siskin Datafile.
John
Gentlemen. Again thank you.
Chris; I had seen that picture before and I tried to work out how the pilot gets in and out. I’ve come to the conclusion that the pilot was issued the aeroplane and then they nailed him in for the winter. 🙂 . Unlike the Wallace it doesn’t slide and I can’t see any obvious hinges and it appears to taper as per the Green drawing. The area where the Canadian Wapiti has the flat is where the normal Wapiti radio was sited. The Green drawing is in Vol 27 No 2 April 2005.
Schneiderman ; Thank you, these numbers will be invaluable and thank you for producing your book on the “trophy” aeroplanes.
John
Dave. Thank you, that is superb and it is the first clear picture I’ve seen of the canopy pushed forwards and what I’ve suspected in that the “box” behind the observer (which would do him a nasty injury in the event of a crash) is to stow the observers chest type parachute. It also confirms exactly where the Lewis gun barrel channel is. Thank you for sharing.
Schneiderman Thank you. I have been able to access some wing drawings but I will look again.
Thanks again
John